Israel Blockades Lebanon

You know how people argue just so they can make up? Call me pessimistic, but I dont think thats whats going on in the middle east.
 
I think we're well on our way going as Rome went. But not for what you perceive as weakness. Its for economic and foreign policy reasons rather. If blanket killing of women, children and old people as well as 'terrorists' is whats necessary for our nation to exist as it is, then I would rather see a fundamental change in the way our country 'exists'. And I do vote my conscience against the military. As for random killings, my sister was stationed outside of baghdad for 20 months, I've seen the pictures, I've heard her stories and seen the videos, soldiers and contractors laughing as they shoot at random vehicles and people. I believe your wrong in how we're killing ONLY terrorists.

You see the war through camoflaged blinders not through the eyes of someone who hasn't been brainedwashed into marching lockstep to killing innocents. Our government isn't telling the truth about the war, when they say one thing and the soldiers who are there contradict what the politicians and generals in their ivory towers are saying, you know those in charge are lying to us. If this is how 'civilized' nations and the supposed leader of the free world conducts itself, we should be ashamed of ourselves.

What I do in my job with the DOE is as a civilian contractor for the US military believe it or not. I see the ticket punching officers who don't give a rats ass about anything but their next promotion. Spending of billions of dollars on a missle defense system that doesn't work, why? So that their contractor buddies and college frat brothers can get their cut of the tax dollars. I've worked with the Star Wars program since the Reagan administration and it will not work under real time scenario's. The only successful 'shoot downs' has been when the defenders have preset coordinates to know WHERE the missle is coming from. So its almost a TRILLION dollars down a rat hole so far with more to come. That is the ethics and morality of your military. Trillions for failure when it could be to used to end hunger, poverty, and boost the education of who knows how many children around the world. Thats your military.
 
^^Well said,

I just want to add that no one arguing against killing terrorists, I know I won't shed a tear if a terrorist is killed.
 
Did your sister turn them in? If not, she is just as guilty as they were. Did you turn it in? If not, then you are just as guilty as they were. How can either of you not turn in the evidence of our soldiers murdering innocent people. Considering the fact that you are so anti-government, I find something very confusing that you would not turn in the evidence that you have.

You mention that you object to the military and vote against it with your conscience. You must not object very much. You also claim to be working for them.
 
In all wars innocent people get killed, even when your trying not to kill them. You can accept this or you can't.

Hezbollah is trying to target innocent civilians. They fire their missles randomly in the direction on Northern Israeli cities.

Israel is not trying to kill civilians. They drop leaklets warning of future bombings. They hold back ground forces. But their enemy is firing from civilin filled locations. It is pretty hard not kill civilians.

hmmm?
 
What's with the cryptic responses all of a sudden? Do you have evidence or not?
 
Not cryptic at all. Google the subject, they are all over. I can't believe with all the information all over the news media that you haven't seen any of the stories of soldiers shooting civilians?
 
Sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying... I thought you meant you had photo and video evidence of an incident.

If there's a specific video you want to discuss, link it and we'll discuss it.
 
I'll see what I can find. They ARE out there. I know Ogrish carried several.
 
You work for the DOE and have the audacity to question me and the rest of the troops on how we follow the ROE's? Tell me: how does it feel to be a complete hypocrit? You may vote your conscious, but that obviously doesn't extend to your wallet since you have no problem accepting a paycheck signed by the only gov't organization that mandates the lawful killing of civilians in the performance of it's duties. There's only one place in any military use of force policy where we are directed to disregard the presence of civilians behind our targets. There's only one place where we are directed to run over old ladies crossing the street. There's only one place where we are ordered to use nerve gas in the performance of our duties. That one place is in the Nuclear Surety Regs written by and imposed upon the US Military by the Dept. of Energy, your employer. If someone gets into the launch facility of an ICBM, your employer tells us we're supposed to seal the facility and put nerve gas into the ventilation system regardless of the presence of civilian hostages. If a lady with a baby carriage attempts to cross the street in front of a nuclear transport convoy, we're supposed to run her and her baby down because your employer says we're not allowed to stop the convoy for any reason. Several AF officers have been prosecuted for failing to follow this DoE regulation and refusing to run over pedestrians. If at any time, positive control of a nuclear resource is in doubt - not definately in jeapordy, just if there's a potential question- security personal are mandated by DoE regulation to open fire without regard to the presence of civilans as hostages or innocent bystanders. Any of these actions in Iraq would have me brought up on charges; yet the organization that signs your paycheck has implemented them as a matter of policy here in the states for years. You probably ought to take a good look around your own back-yard before you start trying to lecture me about who's been brainwashed to kill innocents.
 
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