There is evidence that the Romans crucified thousands of people and while they did change their method from time to time it was to ensure that the criminal (alleged) would suffer in the worst way and they were experts at it.
If Christ was to carry/drag His “stake” (about 75 to 85KG) from the city to Golgotha, once they arrived the “stake” would be placed in a prepared hole, and then probably would have had rocks packed around it and then filled with soil and packed down so that the “stake” would not fall over. Very few strong men could drag anything that heavy that far, let alone someone that had been flogged to near death beforehand.
If Christ was crucified on a cross, He would have carried the cross beam (called a patibulum) (about 35 to 45KG) only to a post, stake, tree or whatever that always remained in the ground ready to receive its next guest.
Do you believe that experts in killing with so much experience, would dig a hole for each person and then put in a “stake” only to remove the Stake after the person died, and then return it to the city ready for the next person?
Or do you believe that the post, stake, tree, etc stayed in the ground, the person carried their own cross beam to the site where they were nailed, arms spread, and lifted up on to the post and their feet nailed to the post?
The following are some pre Christ quotes:-
(1) Frateor, manus vobis do. Et post dabis sub furcis. Abi intro--in crucem. " 'I admit it, I hold up my hands!' 'And later you will hold them up on a furca. Do go along to the crux' " (Persa, 295).
(2) Credo ego istoc extemplo tibi esse eundum actutum extra portam, dispessis manibus, patibulum quom habebis. "I suspect you're doomed to die outside the gate, in that position: Hands spread out and nailed to the patibulum" (Miles Gloriosus, 359-360).
(3) O carnuficium cribum, quod credo fore, ita te forabunt patibulatum per vias stimulis carnufices, si huc reveniat senex. "Oh, I bet the hangmen will have you looking like a human sieve, the way they'll prod you full of holes as they run you down the streets with your arms on a patibulum, once the old man gets back" (Mostellaria, 55-57).
(4) Ego dabo ei talentum, primus qui in crucem excucurrerit; sed ea lege, ut offigantur bis pedes, bis brachia. "I'll give two hundred pounds to the first man to charge my crux and take it -- on condition his legs and arms are double-nailed, that is" (Mostellaria, 359-360).
(5) Patibulum ferat per urbem, deinde adfigatur cruci. "Let him bear the patibulum through the city; then let him be nailed to the crux" (Carbonaria, fr. 2).
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If Christ was to carry/drag His “stake” (about 75 to 85KG) from the city to Golgotha, once they arrived the “stake” would be placed in a prepared hole, and then probably would have had rocks packed around it and then filled with soil and packed down so that the “stake” would not fall over. Very few strong men could drag anything that heavy that far, let alone someone that had been flogged to near death beforehand.
If Christ was crucified on a cross, He would have carried the cross beam (called a patibulum) (about 35 to 45KG) only to a post, stake, tree or whatever that always remained in the ground ready to receive its next guest.
Do you believe that experts in killing with so much experience, would dig a hole for each person and then put in a “stake” only to remove the Stake after the person died, and then return it to the city ready for the next person?
Or do you believe that the post, stake, tree, etc stayed in the ground, the person carried their own cross beam to the site where they were nailed, arms spread, and lifted up on to the post and their feet nailed to the post?
The following are some pre Christ quotes:-
(1) Frateor, manus vobis do. Et post dabis sub furcis. Abi intro--in crucem. " 'I admit it, I hold up my hands!' 'And later you will hold them up on a furca. Do go along to the crux' " (Persa, 295).
(2) Credo ego istoc extemplo tibi esse eundum actutum extra portam, dispessis manibus, patibulum quom habebis. "I suspect you're doomed to die outside the gate, in that position: Hands spread out and nailed to the patibulum" (Miles Gloriosus, 359-360).
(3) O carnuficium cribum, quod credo fore, ita te forabunt patibulatum per vias stimulis carnufices, si huc reveniat senex. "Oh, I bet the hangmen will have you looking like a human sieve, the way they'll prod you full of holes as they run you down the streets with your arms on a patibulum, once the old man gets back" (Mostellaria, 55-57).
(4) Ego dabo ei talentum, primus qui in crucem excucurrerit; sed ea lege, ut offigantur bis pedes, bis brachia. "I'll give two hundred pounds to the first man to charge my crux and take it -- on condition his legs and arms are double-nailed, that is" (Mostellaria, 359-360).
(5) Patibulum ferat per urbem, deinde adfigatur cruci. "Let him bear the patibulum through the city; then let him be nailed to the crux" (Carbonaria, fr. 2).
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