JW's ? Was Jesus Christ with the Father,?

WREN

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in the beginning, ( 2 become 1 ) or was He an exalted man who was created by God and used to make the earth ?
Can you show me what it says in your Bible plz ?
 
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When God said; "Let us make man in our image." It was Jesus to whom he spoke.

Jesus was God's first creation.

Both the following are speaking of Jesus.

Colossians 1:15 ... "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation."

Revelation 3:14. .."... The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God..."

Then Jesus worked along side his Father in all other creation.

John 1:3 ... "God created everything through him, and nothing was created except through him."

So many think of Jesus only in the terms of his physical appearance and him living on Earth for a period of time. ... Jesus is and was a VERY powerful being!

He will defeat Satan and all his Angels.

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Jesus is called the "beginning of God's creation" (Rev. 3:14).

Jesus is called "the Firstborn of Creation" (Col. 1:15). "Firstborn" means that there are others "born" or created after him. The firstborn of (not 'over') creation means he was the first to be created by God (the beginning) and then *through* him came the rest of creation.

The word "through" (dia in NT Greek) is important. Although more often translated "by" in the King James Version, dia means "through" in modern English and is rendered that way in modern Bible translations such as RSV, NIV, TEV, etc. (At times some translations may render dia as "by," but it is with the intended meaning of "through": "God's law was given by Moses.") Notice its obvious meaning at Matt. 1:22, "what was spoken by [hypo] the Lord through [dia] the prophet" - NASB. Obviously, the Lord was the source of the message and "spoke" through (dia) the prophet.

The Greek word dia is a "primary preposition denoting the channel of an act; through" - Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, #1223.

So we can see that the Father alone is the source and his first creation (the only direct creation by Him), His only-begotten son, is the channel through whom he caused all the rest of creation to be. "His son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through [dia] whom he made the world." - Heb. 1:2. "All things came into being through [dia] him.... The world was made through [dia] him" - John 1:3,10.

Concerning a corresponding Scripture, even the highly trinitarian The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology has to admit:

"In 1 Cor. 8:6 the function of God the Father as the SOURCE of creation is distinguished from Christ's role as MEDIATOR of creation." - p. 1182, Vol. 3.

Recommended Related Articles:

Jesus—“A Master Worker
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2009280#p5

What Does the Bible Really Teach? - Who Is Jesus Christ?
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/who-is-jesus-christ/

Appreciate Jesus’ Unique Role in God’s Purpose
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2008922
 
Jesus Christ was the very first thing God created. Then Jesus created all other things using the holy spirit as a tool. So Jesus was indeed with Jehovah in the beginning.

New World Translation

(Colossians 1:14-17) . . .. 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all [other] things and by means of him all [other] things were made to exist,

New Revised Standard Version

(Colossians 1:14-17) . . .. 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all [other] things and by means of him all [other] things were made to exist,


New King James Version


15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
 
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