Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

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shannenexxxx

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I stand corrected, just going by the media reports thought they said the rifle was in the car as well , should have known better. I seem to be suffering from foot in mouth disease.
 
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delhichef

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If only it were that simple. The general casual attitude towards gun ownership in the USA is a major part of the problem. The deliberate misinterpretation of the US constitution by the NRA and lobby groups in general, not to mention the governments unwillingness or inability to do anything about them is another major part of the problem.

The fact that Americans seem to realise there is a need for better healthcare in the USA in general and in particular better mental healthcare services. But are then unwilling to adopt the socially responsible measure of paying a little tax to pay for that healthcare is another major part of the problem.

If Americans want the thrill of firing assault rifles, why can't they do that at a gun club where it can be done safely and responsibly?
 
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AshKetchum

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Yeah, the nydaily link i used to describe the hollow points also said the Bushmaster was found in the car, and didn't mention a shotgun. 24 hour reporting means many inaccuracies make it on to national news, and are then reported using the original report as a source.

That said, even if he hadn't used an assault rifle, I don't think that negates the point of an assault weapons ban. The batman shooter did use one, and they have been connected to some very high profile shootings. There isn't a good reason to keep them legal, and there are some really good reasons to ban them. That, to me, points to the fact they should probably be illegal, and individual cases aren't important.
Don't worry, next on my wishlist are semi-automatic pistols, enhanced ammunition and clip sizes.
 
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BayAreaILove

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Yes they are. Licences vendors only, some are straight out illegal, age restrictions, Sudafed is tracked, so if you buy a large quantity the FBI is notified. In many cases, can't carry open bottles in public places, can't attain many drugs without a prescription, and the US fights a war against drugs (ineffective as that may be)
But all of that is . My point was that when the Batman shooter was stockpiling ammunition, the FBI wasn't notified. That's because tracking ammunition is against the stupidest amendment on any living constitution, according to politicians so afraid of the ridiculously overpowered NRA that they refuse to pass common sense legislation, and allow an assault weapon ban to lapse.
As to your earlier point about not taking assault weapons off their owners in the case of a new ban, that completely defeats the purpose of an assault weapons ban. There are already so many in circulation that restricting the future sale of new weapons without reclaiming old ones is like plugging a boat that's just about sunk, and then suggesting you just let the water evaporate.
 
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trinitypaintball16

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*Bold is what I have been trying say. (Re-read some of my post about this)

Responsible American gun owners do.

It takes a irresponsible mother to not secure hers from a problem child
 
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MindlessSelfIndulgence

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The fact that you disagree with the interpretation of the Second Amendment adopted by the United States Supreme Court in DC v. Heller does not make that interpretation a "deliberate misinterpretation."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller



Many do participate in structured sports, including the incredibly-awesome sport of 3 Gun:

Team Benelli 3-Gun - YouTube

Other popular gun sports include skeet shooting, Olympic shooting, fullbore (a sport of British origin originally designed to give civilians marksmanship skills to supplement national defense), Bullseye (rimfire pistol marksmanship), Practical Shooting, etc.

The difference is, we don't think it's a good way to spend our very limited law enforcement resources to require a massive bureaucracy to prevent people from taking rifles they own home, or using them for hunting...especially not when massacres involving small-caliber handguns (Virginia Tech) or hunting rifles (Norway 2011) have been deadlier than any massacre ever involving "assault weapons" like the AR-15.

We don't fight DUIs by making more and more complex laws about what percentage of alcohol you can drink, requiring breathalizers be installed in every car, etc. We have simple laws and we enforce them. It's legal to drink. It's legal to drive. It's not legal to do both. You fight DUIs by getting cops on the streets looking for drunk drivers, not by banning the sale of whiskey on New Years' Eve. Likewise, I think America needs to stop gun crime by getting more cops out on the street, not by spending those dollars trying to regulate more which sorts of firearms are available.
 
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lsA

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And how about James Holmes, who legally owned his weapons? Loughner? Cho? It's not as simple as "it's the gun owners fault". In many cases, the owner is the nutjob who did the shooting.

For the benefit of Mitlov, Loughner hadn't committed a crime until he pulled the trigger. What's your extra policing going to do then?
 
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MaxM

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Salt Lake City 2010--a major massacre prevented by police on the scene when shooting started (the shooter was an Army deserter carrying four firearms and over a thousand rounds of ammunition into a hotel...a quick-thinking officer shot and killed him with his service pistol despite being wounded himself). San Antonio 2012--a massacre prevented by an off-duty cop on the scene when shooting started. Loughner's massacre was stopped by the arrival of police. Cho killed himself when police approached his position. Same with the Connecticut shooter. Charles Whitman's massacre was ended when police killed him. The firefighter killer in New York's massacre was ended when police killed him.

Nothing works 100% of the time, but police presence has been the single most successful deterrent to mass killings in the USA. We need better police presence in public areas and larger police forces to ensure faster response times. Minutes cut off response times mean lives saved.
 
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soni

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Police presence isn't a deterrent, it usually is a culmination, but there isn't that much of a wait after the start of a shooting. Police arrived at the Connecticut incident within 15 minutes (from memory, I'll wiki when I'm on the PC). That's a pretty good response time, and in major cities response times can't be much quicker than they are when you call a shooting in. But even one or two minutes is enough to kill a large number, with a weapon like the Bushmaster emptying several magazines in the time it would take the police to cover a few blocks, get out of their cars and get into a building. Short of SWAT teams on every street corner (not hyperbolic. I mean literally every street corner) extra policing isn't a good solution. It becomes so much easier to just ban large clips and weapons that empty them quickly.
Sport shooters still manage to attain weapons to shoot at targets in Australia, and it actually isn't that difficult to enforce. Most gun clubs are entirely self enforcing, because they know their licensing as a gun club relies on those rules being effectively enforced.
 
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aursel

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Therefore you contradicted the point. Drugs are still not controlled in order to decline the illegal use




The ban I speak of is new purchases and manufacture. As for ammo stockpiling, I would have to agree to have some flag system when ever someone walks into and is wanting to purchase well over 100 rds in one day

And, I have been saying, to reiterate, I am for a revised NFA, as this causes certain restrictions and more responsibility of current owners
 
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Stefbear

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And just because the Supreme Court agrees with the NRA doesn't mean it's not deliberate.



Many do. However far too many don't.



Norway 2011? That would be the incident that took place on a small island where the police response was totally incompetent?



Well the pro-gun supporters here on MAP at least have already said more police is too expensive. Although they also seem to support an armed guard in every US school.
 
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Ricardo12

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I remember in this thread certain policies being made and enforced would cost too much, but not having more police. Did I miss something or has there been another thread?
 
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draggin

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Point of clarification:
The Virginia Tech shooter was using a Glock 19, which according to the definition set by the Clinton-era assault weapons ban is an assault weapon because of its high-capacity magazine, and which is not generally defined as a small-caliber gun since it 9mm load is standard military fare all over the world.
 
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BlackSnowHatesYahoo

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FWIW - it's considered a medium bore type gun. A smaller 9mm projectile at a higher velocity than say a slower but larger 45acp. There is also the California version of the Glock 19 in which they were sold with a mag that only has a 10 round capacity. Though the ban on those stopped in 2004 and Glock went back to making the mag capacities that were actually designed for the weapon (17 rounds).

It's also the same gun/mag combo used in the 2011 shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson, Arizona.

Also to geek out even more... mm is a metric term used in European and other countries to name bullets - for the US if I recall that puts the 9mm round at 36cal. (.351 to .358 in inches) Different states in the US define differently what is allowed for what. Example for big game hunting in some states in the US there is a min. size requirement for the round used vs the type of game.
 
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