Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

To the bolded, I would like to see you try to reduce your heart rate (so the reticle of a scope isn't moving with your heart) while laying in the prone in a freezing cold puddle in freezing cold weather to shoot a small target at 1,000 mtrs with 20MPH Left to Right wind blowing!

Another thing you said about offtopic, you would be surprised to hear I actually feel a bit the same way about it. I feel like offtopic is about "fighting" more then it is about "fighting sport" to be honest. I feel that way after seeing the difference between what goes into the Boxing I do now vs. the offtopic I was doing 5 years ago. If anything though I think a MAist should be more interested in offtopic style fighting if they want to learn self-defense. Still a developing thought/idea for me though and I'm not going to stand by it just yet
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

I don't doubt the mental focus required for shooting. I have done a fair bit of archery over the years, and can see the "Zen" in it.

But note that I did say "streets"; there's not much to hunt in urban areas. Not much you'd want to eat anyway.

As for bullets vs. arrows, is it not the case that often the hunter would have to finish the kill with a knife anyway? I don't know, as I've never killed big game.
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

Martial Arts are all about mental focus for the most part. It's easy to develop muscle memory, conditioning, strength, etc.. Being able to focus your ability and realize your opponent's ability is all mental and takes a whole lot of training and experience to use. (I am sorta' arguing stupid stuff here though )

I don't think anyone would argue that it would be nice to not feel a need to have to protect yourself. I'm of the belief that poverty, resources, and acceptance of others are the things that have to be addressed for that subject though and that's not getting solved anytime soon.

I'm willing to bet that if I took you on a hunting trip, I could get you to take a bite out of the animal's heart by saying, "It shows respect to the animal, as it made you into a hunter and it is an age old hunter's ritual."
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

That's a good point about body control and shooting. But if they were exactly the same skill sets involved, they would transfer and being good at one would mean you were equally as good at the other. That's all I was saying.

Your thoughts on offtopic are interesting. I kind of feel that I should feel the same way about boxing, but I don't. I enjoy watching boxing, more the amateur rules than the pro slugathons, and more the lighter weights, it's the tactical movement I like most about it. It was the only thing I watched in this Olympics (apart from a tiny bit of TKD, but I found that equally as confusing as I did silly). The neurological problems associated with it are a bit of a sticking point for me though.

I don't see offtopic as being geared toward self-defence. I see it as a rule set to give the audience a brutal and bloody spectacle. Don't get me wrong, the people who compete are hard as nails, and impressive athletes, but the "put up your dukes" fighting attitude is not best suited to surviving violent encounters IMHO.
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

No, I've eaten heart before. Too chewy!

Maybe a slurp of blood though...
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

Two things happen when you hit a deer or elk with a high-powered round. First, the bullet entering the animal causes a surge of blood pressure from the kinetic energy of the round, dazing or knocking the animal unconscious ("hydrostatic shock"). Second, after that momentary shock wave through the circulatory system, the massive hole created by a high-powered hunting round causes a sudden and dramatic drop in blood pressure, causing almost immediate unconsciousness (even if the hydrostatic shock had not already done this) and quick death. If you're using an appropriately-powerful round for the animal you're hunting and you hit it in an appropriate area instead of just winging it, you'll never have to "finish it off" with a knife.

With an arrow, you have neither the hydrostatic shock nor the sudden loss of blood pressure. They're just impaled on a shaft that twists around inside them as they writhe. Unless you hit the heart itself, death will be slow and painful. I actually think I remember hearing that bow-hunting was banned in the UK due to animal welfare concerns. It's certainly a whole lot harder on the animal than a big-game rifle is.
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

I slightly disagree.

Advances in broadheads result in huge blood loss

Game struck with a bullet or a arrow tend to run away afterwards for a short moment
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

Something like this I would imagine would let you hunt and hire guns or store them in a safe and appropriate place. And even if they don't offer that service now. They do accept recommendations from all club members. So there's no reason they couldn't offer it in the future.
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

You are in favor of banning hunting entirely except for guided commercial game tours? I don't support that at all. I don't think that's a sensible solution for anyone besides the proprietors of those businesses. You're imposing massive regulations, making big game prohibitively expensive (a bad choice because for poor rural families, wild game is far less expensive than store-bought meat and hunting can be their primary source of meat).

You'll also see an explosion of illegal poaching, since a lot if people simply will refuse to comply. And we don't have the resources to patrol every lake and every pond and every hillside for poachers. You'd be replacing regulation (hunting seasons with the associated permits, limits, etc) with prohibition and the associated lawlessness.

Banning hunting except guided hunts in commercial game preserves sounds to me just like banning drinking except in pubs. Do you want drinking a glass of scotch in your home while you watch football on the television to bea crime?

And all this for what? Elk hunters and duck hunters aren't responsible for the gun homicide rate in the USA. What does banning their main hobby and their main source of meat accomplish? The vast majority of gun homicides in the USA are impoverished urban youth killing each other with handguns, and I don't see how prohibiting turkey hunts without a paid guide does anybody any good.
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

That's not even close to my point. I was simply illustrating it's entirely feasible to store your guns safely at a club and go hunting. Something which you find totally inconceivable.
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

You linked to a guided-hunting-tour service, not a gun club.

And what would requiring storing hunting rifles at a gun club accomplish? So a member of a gun club--say, a guy named Anders Breivik--says "hey guys, I'm going hunting today, I'm checking out my Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle for the afternoon." They say "okay, have a good time." But instead of going looking for elk, he goes and shoots up a youth camp. Your rule wouldn't stop this at all.

You've just inconvenienced every single law-abiding hunter and not done anything to prevent someone who is intent on committing mass-murder from committing mass-murder.

I'm not opposed to regulation in general, despite what you keep trying to attribute to me. I'm opposed to regulations that inconvenience everyone while doing nobody any good. The regulation you're proposing is nonsensical.
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

Just an example dude. I believe I said "something like this" and not "here's exactly how it's done". This is clearly an advanced concept you're having a problem with.
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

Mexico has a ban on guns for the entire country.

Yet it is the murder capital of the world due to its lucrative drug trade and large amounts of american cash rolling in from the northern border.

OBAMA cant take guns from criminals, he just wants to disarm law abiding citizens.
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

Just the differences in the amount of rural land in the US compared to the UK makes this unexceptionable.

I know plenty of people that can almost hunt off their back porch.

Unless you have visited the US you have no idea of the distances and rural landscape.

We are two very different countries but share a similar language.
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

A gun club is nothing like a guided tour service. Nothing. It's like comparing a community garden to a restaurant. I think the problem is that you're proposing regulations for something you know very, very little about.

The last time people who didn't understand X tried to regulate X, mixed martial arts got banned in most American states in the 1990s as "unsafe" and "too violent" while boxing was allowed to continue.
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

I have an idea, why don't we make it illegal for felons to own guns and then enforce it.

Why don't we make it illegal to give or sell guns to a felon and then enforce it.

If you sell or give a gun to a felon and didn't do a background check then you will be up for a serious charge.

If your gun is lost or stolen and you don't report it then you will be up on a serious charge.

Not just slap on the wrist fines either.

No restrictions at all on legal gun owners this way but you can get illegal weapons off the street. Of course this means registering the weapons you now own and have in your possession.

Would people go along with that?
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

Barack Obama in his own words:



http://www.newrepublic.com/article/112190/obama-interview-2013-sit-down-president#
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

I have been to the US. Several times. The last time I was there I was in Park City, UT. It's surrounded by a big fat nothing mostly. Of course the USA isn't the only place one can hunt out of their back garden. I live in Scotland. My home town is surrounded by green fields and open land.
 
Yes I’m sure you can and Scotland is a wonderful place and when I was there I did get a chance to see near as much of the countryside as I would have liked.

However the control of land and game management is very different.

What it comes down to is you have what you want as far as gun control and are happy with it. We might tweak what we have a little but the majority here will only stand for certain things and no more and are overall all fine with private gun ownership and carry on both side right and left.


Notice the picture. Texas by the way

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Obama-mural-near-Midtown-defaced-again-4228676.php?cmpid=houtexhcat
 
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