Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

All states have this provision. My grandfather went a little crazy after having several undiagnosed stokes that caused brain damage. The family went to the states attorney, we had a court hearing. It was determined that he could pose a risk to himself/others. He was taken into custody, and sent to a mental hospital for an evaluation. This was all done against his will. This process was initiated by the family, but his actions had already caused interaction with the police and I'm certain they would have forced it soon after if we had not.
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

There's always provisions for civil commitment (what you're describing). Oregon's statute allows the police to act without a court hearing first. An officer can act as soon as the officer has probable cause to believe there's a danger. This allows them to respond immediately upon getting credible reports, with no delays, potentially acting the same day or even within minutes.
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

Must have missed the private sales part, apologies. If you sell a gun privatly you are required to keep a record of that transaction. Never heard of this one being enforced either. Another example of a gun law not being enforced.


What buisness does not keep track of inventory? This is silly, I bet even drug dealers do this.

And how many are prosecuted for it? Probably close to none.



I am NOT defending the NRA. Just want to be clear on that. I cannot stand those guys! I think they have done as much damage to the reputation of gunowners as any mass murder.

As I have stated in my posts, I am not saying we don't need aditional controls. Such controls will come with much debate(rightfully so), and politics. It will take time to enact such measures after we decide on them. My argument is that in the meantime, there is much improvment to be made simply enforcing the rules we currently have. I am not sure why you would be against this or think it would have little/no effect.
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

Could you edit that to make it clear who said what. I'm struggling to work it out. Thanks.
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

If you're insulted by that comment I'd definitely not want you to have access to firearms. All throughout this thread and in other threads as soon as someone suggests some sort of restriction or further test you shout about the second amendment and how your guns are being banned outright. That's not what's happening. It's not what has been suggested.

If however something isn't done to improve the situation as it currently is. Then you will end up with the outright ban and police state that you fear so much.
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

Quite a lot of people in this thread have referred to your tone as insulting, aikiworlfie, including David Harrison, who is definitely not on the pro-second-amendment side of things policy-wise. When your tone is offending other gun restriction advocates, maybe the problem is your tone and not the people you're talking to.
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

Same as you legally have guns, then your son goes on a rampage and kills you and other kids with your guns
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

Another one figures. Also, you have me confused with someone else. I never uttered the words 2nd amendment and have by and large stayed out of this conversation.

I'd tell you to prove otherwise, but your refusal to answer a simple question and go off on a wild personal tangent instead is very telling. You're either trolling or or have amassive attitude problem. Either way, I'm done with you.
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

Tell it to the kid being held hostage in Alabama. Another day, another gun crisis in America.
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

What does a man kidnapping a child have to do with you being rude on the internet in the midst of an otherwise-respectful discussion between reasonable adults who are all well-intentioned but disagree on legal and social policy issues? Take responsibility for your own conduct and your own tone.
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

I guess certain people have not read my posts #656, 723, and 742 carefully.

To reiterate:

Banning guns (certain types) and more gun laws will never stop people from killing each other with guns within a gun society. Even talk of a ban or new gun laws, create a frenzy of more purchases in firearms and ammo. Thus, can lead to more shootings

To add, those whom never been in such a society, let alone shot or own a firearm, cannot fully take upon a position of what should be done.

As well as not having a gun pointed at them, shot at them, or having been a victim or known victims of such

As well as, if you were raised within a society and/or household with guns, you would have a better understanding

(There is a saying; "Armchair QuarterBack")

I think I have also stated;

There are too many guns already in circulation, that manufacturing should come to a minimal. This will not help those workers/employees, but I think continuous manufacture nowadays is pointless

There have been mass shootings with guns before, going as far back as the 1920's. And there are a lot of one to one or single murders with guns which tally far more than mass shooting sprees combined

The mental issue of mass murderers, be it with guns, knives, bombs, or cannibalism (serial killers) are hard to predict until it is too late upon the gruesome discovery of their plan which ends their reign of terror. It isnt or should not be about what they had "used" to create that terror

Also, to have such a media coverage of these murders, only spawn those with mental issues whom had scantly considered to take the same action, to put their action into full motion. (i.e. Glorified Copy Cats)

A few interesting reads;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers

Mass Murder in the United States: A History: Grant Duwe: 9780786431502: Amazon.com: Books

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/14/why-are-mass-shootings-becoming-more-frequent/

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/30/2921843/five-myths-about-mass-shootings.html

http://www.auburn.edu/~peteeta/massmurder1.htm
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

It isnt a gun crisis. It is a mental person crisis

I guess terrorists using a plane to crash into a building, had a aviation crisis

Here is a "knife crisis";

http://www.964eagle.co.uk/news/local-news/883776/man-who-took-his-ex-a-teenager-and-a-baby-hostage-in-great-bookham-handed-6-yrs-behind-bars/
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

What did I say that was rude? So now we want to be responsible? I find it odd you take more offence to my tone than you seem to be concerned about the current bad press for the pro-gun lobby. What's more dangerous? My tone or your guns?
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

Is it a disaster when its purposely done?

As well as a "aviation crisis"
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

Listing every time when you've been rude to other members in this thread would be impossible. But when even other gun restriction advocates are posting about how rude you're being, maybe you should step back and look at your tone.

My gun, which I keep in a safe and use to break clay pigeons at the Medford Gun Club, is not a danger to anyone. Except maybe ducks if I take it hunting. Some roast duck with fresh-ground pepper and red wine sauce does sound good.



Your tone, however, is not helping anything. I fail to see why you're comparing your rudeness to my shotgun. Great inflaofftopictory rhetoric but not so great if you're actually trying to have a meaningful discussion.
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

If you want to assert I am being rude then the first example will be enough.
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

Thanks


But if you aren't required to do anything with those documents, the law is unenforceable. And since there is no background check requirement anyone can buy a gun.

Exactly - the only people who wont keep track of their inventory are the people who don't want records of what comes in and what comes out.

Probably true, but why worry about being caught when you're only going to get a slap on the wrist. If you lose your license you can just become a private dealer.


It amazes me that they get away with claiming to be the gun owners lobby, when they are clearly only working for the gun manufacturers. Their policies have nothing to do with protecting the rights of gun owners and everything to do with keeping gun sales high - they don't seem to care if they get sold to criminals or not.

At a Federal level, the ATF simply cannot do its job with its current staffing and budget levels - and that's a deliberate move by Republicans in Congress.

And at a state level, it doesn't really matter what NY does if people can just drive a couple of hundred miles to where the rules no longer apply.
 
Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

Yes it's still a disaster as well as mass murder. You could call it a tragedy if you like. And yes it does spark a crisis for the aviation industry. Generally speaking all other air craft have to be grounded until the threat is deemed to have passed.
 
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