Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

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lesliewu9

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Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

America doesn't just have a high level of gun deaths. The level is high contrasted against comparable nations. But that's not really what the link was about. It was about the lost years those now dead people have had stolen from them. It was about the greater longer term impact.
 
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nevr_let_g0

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The deaths cause by assault weapons are far less than that of cudgels

Death by cudgel is not as media grabbing as a shooting


Also, the by large shooting deaths are from handguns
 
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cymraes_y_cwm

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Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

Jesus....utterly inane...I'm sure more people die of simple old age why not mention that too?
But you can't ban old age, disease or vehicles can you?
But you can (if you're willing as a country) ban guns.
And so the deaths caused by disease and old age and vehicles would still happen but the deaths caused by guns would not (or at least a lot of them wouldn't happen).
I don't see why that is not so plainly simple to see?!?

This is precisely the attitude from Americans that I just don't get.
I don't even know what the point being made is when people compare guns to other things?
More people die of disease than guns so might as well just keeps guns around?
Are we only meant to tackle the thing that causes the most amount of deaths in turn?

There's something in the news at the moment where suicides have been reduced in the UK by limiting the amount of paracetamol in a packet and putting them in blister packs.
When it became harder to use paracetamol to kill yourself (even something as sillly as getting them out of the packet) the people that might have used that method didn't go off an find something else (jumping, train, hanging etc). They just didn't kill themselves.
That little break in the thought process was enough to break the cycle and prevent a large percentage of suicides of that type.
I see no reason why restricting access to guns wouldn't work in a similar way in restricting gun suicides.
 
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CoasterX

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Well I look at this way you can count gun death as far as which ones you/I really care about.

I’m concerned with the death of incents and accidental only.

So:
You take out any justifiable shooting (which the anti 2nd’s like to leave in)

You take out gang banger and other criminals that kill each other because it’s a lifestyle they chose.

You take out suicides. A gun might make it easier (for a man as women don’t like using a gun for that) but if they want to kill themselves they will.

What we should count like I said is the incent victims and accidents.

Just my opinion anyway.
 
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H3@RT_2_H3@RT_MtN@_

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Absolutely wrong.
If people can be disuaded, stopped or thwarted in some way (even if it's a simple as not having something immediately deadly) then something like only 1/10 attempted suicides then go on to actually do it.
That's exactly my point about the paracetamol. Just making it a little trickier to do the act makes that person less likely to be successful AND once they've tried (if they aren't dead) they are then much less likely not to actually try again. Although they are probably more likely to try again than the average person.

I find your lack of concern about people getting killed shocking TBH.
Are you seriosly telling me that a person born into a gang neighbourhood, with gang siblings and maybe even gang parents and then subject to pressure to join or even danger of being killed even if they aren't a member fully chooses to join a gang?
Really?
I think not. There may be other options for a such a child (and most join gangs as children) but not many.
 
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RobynnK

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I wonder if the number of gang members killed by other gang members actaully exceeds the number of innocent bystanders killed in things like drive-by shootings?
 
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xAlex

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You also have the point that someone that attempts suicide (by less deadly means than a gun) is then, almost by default, brought to the attention of appropriate agency's and can get access to treatment and help.
Whereas they may have simply been suffering in silence and isolation before that first attempt.
If they are successful at their first attempt that help would not be available because they'd be dead.
Having access to guns makes that first attempt FAR more likely to end in death.
 
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pame

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people in the U.K. gave up thier gun owner rights voluntarily, not that long ago and now many regret it.at least all the brits ive talked to on forums do.
 
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AnmarY

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Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

So can I.
But so what? What does that tell us? How does that help us make good decisions about the future?



You need to talk to more Brits.
There aren't many I know that would like the same sort of gun ownership as America.
Some would like the opportunity to go and shoot some guns for a laugh (I'd do that myself) but they wouldn't want one in the home (and there's no need for oen either).
 
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PaulF

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Actually I would differ on this. Suicide as a whole is tremendously complex, but medication assisted attempts are still the most common even in cases where firearms are available.

The firearms would assist those committed to their course of action, but such people will succeed regardless of availability

The decision To pull the trigger takes much more mental push than taking tablets for example
 
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oneluckybatboy3

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Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

And what about guns generally? Do you have a source on this?



If that's true, it's only because of the numbers involved, which is largely my point. There's nothing inherently less noteworthy about someone dying from blunt force trauma than from bullet wounds.



So handguns are a point of concern as well? Agreed.
 
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googirl77

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Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

Could that be down to the fact that even if guns are very common place, medication is even more common place?
People just using what's available?
Also it'd be interesting to see the ratio of death/attempts for the two methods?
I'd hazard that they'd be very different (with maybe more "cry for help" suicides being via medication too).



Seriously man...look into the latest stuff paracetamol in the UK because it's not as set as that.
Making it harder to use that method has had a significant effect on suicides.
That method of suicide is still available though. Go and buy loads of packets, pop them all out of their packs and take 'em.
But...just making the person go through that extra process (rather than having all the tablets you need in one easily opened container) can break the cycle of anxiety and depression.
And as a result less people kill themselves. Not temporarily or until they find another method but for the rest of their lives.



I think that's probably down to squeemishness and not wanting pain perhaps? Tablets being seen as something that will make you pass out and die quietly.
 
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nikgy71

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Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

Paracetamol is not nice.

People who are suffering often have acces to other meds. There are ways that are let's say more tolerable.
 
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bigdaddymentor

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Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

That's my point - those who are committed to their course of action in suicide succeed; I am not debating the background of what CAUSED that because it is my experience that the vast majority of people in suicides/suicide attempts are not looking for a way to die, they are searching for a reason to live

Guns are final in the same way jumping off an 10 storey parkade or as I once dealt with an 8 storey leap from a balcony above my apartment in Manc. There is a conscious effort that goes beyond an attempt.

It is a complex subject, but firearm suicides are still a minority occurrence overall and it is a little disingenuous to use that as a control argument when other positions are far more logically consistent
 
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Brandee

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Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

here are a few that woulld dissagree w/you who were forced to give up thier rights.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKdBxpKqUvs
 
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