Margaret Thatcher has died

[mkaythnxbye]

Look, I don't know much/anything about this. But I'm guessing it happened in the US. And is it possible what the film was about with Julia Roberts playing the lawyer?

Fine, that's your governments failing as far as I can tell. These people deserve to be banged up for such a thing. What else do you expect me to say?






Which is exactly why there should have been regular regulatory reviews by the government. They failed at keeping tabs on what was happening in their own country. No doubt they didn't fail collecting all that lovely income from Banking though.



And who allowed this to happen ?



Well, you can only send them to jail if they broke the law. If they didn't(break the law), who's fault is that ?

Don't you think it's the lawmakers fault ?




I believe in and trust politicians less than I do Businessmen. Businessmen are also much more predictable.

 

[tangek]

There should be an approval process for new products and the appropriate rules and regulations applied to them if they are deemed acceptable.

there are lots of products that don't get to market because they don't meet certain standards, sometimes dodgy products are taken off the shelves or even recalled when the don't meet certain criteria.

If we can regulate other things we can regulate this. Dude, this is not rocket science!



What about the way food and medication is approved in the US. Some things never get approval. There are processes that check what is being sold. If something is miss sold or something has been done wrong there need to be serious deterrents; fines, prison. Again being creative can work out. But there are certainly methods that can be introduced to control the financial services sector.

It may not be easy, but things like this never are.



A serious review of the election system probably.

 

[August]

Yes, and many of those houses were sold on to privet land lords. There is a particular scam landlords operate to get council houses on the cheap. They put a tenant in them for 3 years. The "tenant" then buys the house because that is their right and then sells it on to the landlord. The landlord then charges three times as much for rent.

After this housing stock was removed from the public sector it was never replaced. Hence the reason why we have people living in squalid conditions today that council houses were built to eradicate.

It was also a highly exclusionary policy that fractured communities. How were miners and steal workers supposed to be able to buy their homes when they were being laid off?


So anyway does any body not think it's ironic the state is paying for the funeral of this millionaire capitalist?

 

[ZoeB]

I hate them! Buying up our houses. Planting their hedges!

 

[nikgy712018]

Well according to the Torygraph, Cameron has distanced himself from Thatcher's description of Nelson Mandela and the ANC as 'terrorists'. Which would be a bit strange if she had never actually said it, wouldn't it?

Since one of the points in the article you posted is quite clearly a lie, I think we can ignore the rest without bothering to go through them one by one.

Might be an idea to choose your sources a bit more carefully in future.

 

[dawnsxlight]

If you read the whole quote, and take it in context it reads differently. Im trying to find another quote where she actually calls him an outright terrorist, but its turning up sparse.
Also I never used this to support an argument of my own, it brought up some interesting points, adding some content.

Other people seem to think so to.
Winnie Mandela's comment goes far worse than Thatchers.

 

[aleksl]

Just because YOU can't predict the market in 1-2 years, please don't assume everyone is incapable. The financial collapse didn't happen without anyone predicting it. A LOT of people predicted it. A whole lot, actually.

 

[shortnsweet]

So when it is shown to be true that means you can accept the rest of it correct?

http://www.sahistory.org.za/dated-event/it-widely-reported-british-prime-minister-margaret-thatcher-criticised-anc-calling-it-te



Nowhere is Mandela mentioned

 

[snookie121280]

Now obviously there will be fallout from that, especially given the emotions involved, but if someone says "do what we want or we will target your businesses" then she wasn't entirely unjustified in making the statement...ill advised possibly, but not without cause

Nowhere did she say "Nelson Mandela is a terrorist"

 

[BRizzleRay]

No. But I can't be arsed going througgh it point by point. If it's from a tory source then I'd view it with deep suspicion, because they are habitual liars!

That's one quote. Whether she said something else on another occasion I don't know.

It seems to have been very widely accepted for the last thrity-odd years that she described Nelson Mandela as a terrorist. If she has been widely misquoted, then I find it very strange that no attempt has been made to set the record straight. Given how diligent the tories normally are at manipulating their public image (and Thatcher more than anyone else) it seems quite staggering, really.

 

[360flippin]

Confirmation bias a bit old friend?

I just find it ridiculous that the "Thatcher was the worst thing ever" accusations are upheld as being beyond dispute when they clearly are not

I am not a Thatcherite by any stretch, but a sense of balance is warranted regardless of how you viewed her personally.

 

[exigesprit]

Looking around as far as I can actually be bothered she never called him a terrorist...however, plenty of Tory MP's DID - and it is perhaps her lack of action against them that led to the apocryphal rumour

 

[greendawn]

that's fine, some balance is needed i agree with you on that. but i think that the hagiography on economic matters is way off-base, which is where i am coming from. and why i try to give data for us to discuss, instead of anecdotal evidence and caricatures.

gotta say, what the hell were the murderous generals in argentina thinking anyway. talk about slam dunk for britain. lol. what, did they think they could make gb disappear like a leftist college student?

 

[Whitewolfct]

To be fair, I don't think you're going to see much 'balance' at the present time. People's feelings are running very strongly, and recent events have stirred up a lot of very powerful emotions. Probably not just amongst her detractors but amongst her supporters too.

I don't think you'll get a really balanced assesment for a few years. Opinion is too polarised at the moment, and people want to take this opportunity to give vent to their feelings, rather than sitting back and calmly weighing things up. I'm trying, but it's damned hard.

 

[BASE]

I can wear that...but you know everything is going to hel quickly when *I* am acting as a moderating influence on anything!

 

[SUNNYP]

I'm balanced. Not a fan of Thatcher or the Conservatives. But in this thread I've found the ones in support of Thatcher forward more balanced arguments. Those against mostly, "The witch is dead, partay".

 

[nikkit]

It wouldn't be strange at all. Nelson Mandela became a respected world leader.

 

[blisrobb]

I meant that it would be strange of Cameron to say that she shouldn't have said something which she never said. The fact that he did so strongly suggests that she did say it.

 

[ShelbyE]

That shows the depth of hatred she managed to extract out of far too many people. I'm sure there's a generation out there in some communities that'll be using her name to scare little children.
It's the heart -v- the mind
Depends on how she affected your community

 

[preet_pari]

And it wasn't just what she did, it was the way that she did it. She really was an obnoxious individual. If she hadn't been a politician, if she'd been, say, a lollypop lady, she'd have been a really unpopular lollypop lady. Children would have risked their lives crossing a hundred yards down the road rather than be patronised by Thatcher as they crossed with her.