Margaret Thatcher has died

Sadly, yes.

The same sort of pathetic behaviour was seen here when President Reagan died.

I was not a Reagan supporter, but I thought some people's reactions were not civilized in that circumstance as well.
 
Did she really do anything of importance during the Falklands? My understanding of that war is that it was a desperate attempt by the military leaders in Argentina to avoid being overthrown and their chances of success long term were next to none regardless of who was PM.
 
You can understand people being happy about the death of a mass murderer but can't get your head around celebrating Ronald Reagan's death, again Nicuraga and Guatamala read the history.
 
Read the post,
"This would be unthinkable in any civilized country"

Coupled with what I wrote next this clearly, implies it meant countries like Britain,America,France,Canda etc etc. Western Democracies, were the aforementioned leaders were in power. Not countries that may of been affected by their foreign policy.

I would understand Argentina celebrating Baroness Thatchers death, though I would find their hatred misplaced it could be understood.
Raz
 
She didn't do anytihng,just got herself out of a self-created mess.In 1981 we had huge spending cuts and the military were badly affected.The defence of the Falklands was left to the icebreaker,HMS Endurance,which had few weapons other than a handful of armed marines.Hardly a deterrent to stop an invasion.As a result of her cuts and the political situation in Argentina 255 British servicemen lost their lives plus at least a 1000 Argentinian conscripts.This included 350 who drowned when the Belgrano was sank as it left the exclusion zone.
 
thats funny, so its ok for the members of the country's that have been rape'd, pillaged and burned by any of those "civilized" country's to celebrate the death of a leader who played a part in it, but for citizens of that "civilized" country to do the same is simply uncouth.
 
No but its completely justified and understood. Your taking it out of context. And the hate being shown to Thatcher, is nothing related to any of the precepts you just mentioned.

Im sorry you find it insulting that your joy at someone dying, is seen as a wicked view.
Raz
 
I fully expect celebrations in US streets when Dubya kicks it.
 
So a Guatemalan or Nicuragan being disgusted by what the Reagan administration did in there country's is ok but its out of context for me to feel the same way ? why the mass murder and rape of civilians and the undermining of democracy look exactlly the same were ever your standing. Tell me would you say my hatred was out of context if I was from a central latin American country that because of direct actions of the Reagan Administration saw its economy crippled, its democraticly elected governments forcefully replaced with a Junta and its people ravagged by civil war IF I had been born after it all happened.

I never once said any of this was anything to do with thatcher, why throw that in there ? she has plenty of her own crimes to answer for.

Its funny that most of the people complaining about the fact her death is being celebrated from Belfast to Brixton have some sympathy for her politics, almost as if the celebrating isn't the issue at all.
 
If you read my post again,
"can you imagine Republicans celebrating the death of Jimmy Carter? Were there any Democrats celebrating when Reagan died?"

I specificily said those of opposing political views, not. "Anyone in the world" or "Anyone in the home nation"
The reason it would be absurd for them to celebrating there death is because they never did anything that resembled the horrofic crimes of historical tyrants against the groups mentioned.

I understand what your saying about Guat etc, I imagine the joy for those in Chile at Kissinger, and perhaps those who served in Vietnam.

Raz
 
yet its been 3 post's since that before you brought it up, your fond of changing the goal post's when the game go's against you. I don't understand the parallel the Democrat and Republican party for one are not the poller opposites politically, when it comes down to policy there almost identical, secondly the analogy doesn't work, its not the labour party celebrating the fact she rust's in piece its large swathes of the populous.
 
I think it is fine if people want to have a party and disparage the dead. Fill your boots.

A year from now, she will still be dead, you will still be blaming someone else for your shortcomings and be in the same situation you are now.

As long as it makes people feel better about not taking responsibility for their own situation, and doesn't do too much harm to the family of Maggie then why not eh?
 
But it still stands, I chose answer your points instead of dismissing them due to lack or relevance, that was my perogative. I don't see this as a game, I see it as sick, snide post by you taking glee at someone else's mum,gran,whataver dying. How nice.

The Rep-Dem analogy;
They represent different political idealogies. Left and right. Though how far apart they are changes as new leaders and opinions come in and out. That whats they symbollicaly represent to the populous. Same for Labour and Conservative, again they are not as far apart as they once were.

"large swathes of the populous."
A few thousand people spread out the country of 60 million, dancing and trashing local stores, and causing a mess, using her passing as an excuse. When most of them couldn't even tell you the bulk of her policies.

I agree many many people are glad she is gone ,Not to be ignored.but I think more, were indifferent or sad.I pity those who wait for the passing of someone 20 years out of office suffering from mental disease, to have their day "made".

Raz
 
Here's the thing - people can't afford to buy a home today because of the housing crisis that Thatcher's policies created. There's a massive waiting list for social housing because Thatcher sold them all off at sub-market prices and didn't build any more to replace them. There are entire communities with no industry because she shut the pits with no plan to help those who relied on them for work.

So some people have more than just cause for blaming Thatcher for their hardships.

Screw her family - it's not like she ever gave a toss about her victim's families, is it? And her victims had a lot more to worry about than a few days bad publicity.
 
everyone can be someone's mother or father, son, daughter, it doesn't excuse the thing's you did in life. where were local stores trashed ? yea keep telling yourself its only a few thousand in a country of millions.
 
For everyone that hates her you will find another that admires her - its a 50/50 split as far as can be determined

Then there are those who just acknowledge that someone has died who at one point was part of the socio-political climate as they were growing up and are indifferent....like me.
 
Not my usual paper, but to answer your question:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2306165/Margaret-Thatcher-death-parties-The-Lefts-sick-celebration-Brixtons-streets.html

I meant and again was quite obvious that it was only a few thousand out doing the above.

I agree with what Hannibal says. (At work, thanks function doesn't work due to old browser)
Raz
 
Im going to be outright and say that I dont know "that much" in terms of long lasting effects, to have a reasoned debate on this.

But... I was under the impression that mining especially in Wales was on a decline before she got in power anyway?

Raz
 
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