Do messianic jew's read the bible? Wear yamaka's? If I read correctly (probably not) Messianic jews follow all jewish laws but believe christ or yoshua as their savior. The laws being the only difference from christianity?
massianic jews are christians.... non-jewish believers are christians as well. The messianic jews may practice some jewish traditions but never the mosaic law. Christ is their High Priest and Christ is our High Priest... it's all the same.
@ Aravah....
This response to you is intended with all respect...
A "messianiac" jew is a person who has received Jesus as their Messiah. They normally hold fast the doctrine of the Trinity recognizing Jesus as God. There are a few differences in some of their practices but none more than that between the many different denominations of non-jewish congregations.
Tell me please... are you jewish? and if you are then can you also trace your roots back to the tribe of Judah?
Are you suggesting that these messianic jews are no longer Hebrew?
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D Aravah...
Well, you may reject them as jewish... after all that is how your ancestors responded to Jesus Christ. This is an age old battle and not worth arguing over. However, those whom you claim are not jews claim the contrary. They are hebrews who've received Jesus as their messiah and that makes them christian... jewish christians. Of all the times, from the time of Moses to this day, that hebrews blasphemed God with their rebellion and disobedience, were they ever at any time apostate and no longer jewish?
Anyway, the answer for the person asking the question is that those jews who've truly converted to christianity are truly christian. They are children of God through Jesus Christ. God's love compelled Him to put His son on a cross, place our sins upon him, and kill him to vindicate His righteousness so that our sins could be forgiven. (see Isaiah 53:6)
answer: The difference is the name and falsely inserting Jesus/Yeshua into JEWISH rituals and holy days. They dishonor both religions. Christian beliefs are incompatible with Judaism.
They are Christians falsely calling themselves "Jews"
ALL branches of Judaism, the Torah, the US military and Israel agree - they are NOT Jews, they are Christians.
Very few "Messianics" were Jewish to begin with.
A Jew that becomes a Christian is an apostate Jew, no longer considered part of the Jewish community or religion. They cannot be called up to read from the Torah in synagogue. They cannot be buried in a Jewish cemetery. They cannot marry an Orthodox Jew and they cannot immigrate to Israel as a Jew.
In the document ‘What Evangelical Christians should know about Messianic “jews” , Martin Meyer, founder of 'jews' FOR JESUS: reveals:
‘We are an arm of the local **Church**. We are Evangelists. We are accountable to the Church. As we win and ***convert*** Jewish people, we urge them to take their place in a local Evangelical **Church**, or establish a congregation. Our duty is to aid the **Church** at large and to gather in the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel.’
Jews 4 Jesus: They are the worst of those intentionally setting out to deceive others like snake-oil salesmen. They hold camps to train their missionaries on how to deceive vulnerable Jews at college (away from home for the first time) and in retirement homes especially.
The idea that "messianic jews" use to promulgate the notion that one can be Jewish and another religion at the same time is based on the fallacy that there is a "Jewish race"- there is no such thing as a Jewish race. The idea of a Jewish race is a construct of the Nazis, part of their propaganda effort to justify their oppression and later extermination of the "Jewish problem". Think of it like this- if Jews are race, and one that is contaminating others because they are inferior- then the only way to protect the "superior" races is to kill the inferior one (and yes, this was a sick extension of Darwin's theory of evolution and Herbert Spencer's "survival of the fittest"- neither of these two had anything to do with the insane twist put onto their theories). Likke the Nazis, "messianic judaism" and its adherents seek to destroy Jews and Judaism- the Nazis tried to kill us ohysically, the "messianic jews" by redefining Judaism into yet another Christian sect and destroying Judaism spiritually,
The reality is that from the very start there has been no such thing as a Jewish race. In the Torah, it is understood that Yitro (a black Ethiopian), Moshe's father-in-law, converted to Judaism. When the Jews left Egypt the eruv rav (mixed multitude) left with them. By the end of the 40 years in the desert, the eruv rav had dissapeared- either having converted or left to go their own way once free of Egypt. So, even as they entered Israel for the first time behind Joshua, there was no Jewish race- but already a collection of ethnicities, races etc.
As for religion, a Jew that converts to any other religon ceases to be a member of the Jewish community. The Torah makes this point very clearly when it gives the laws of the Korban Pesach.
Shmot (Exodus) Chapter 12
43. The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, "This is the statute of the Passover sacrifice: No estranged one may partake of it. ??. ????? ?????? ?? ??? ????? ??? ??? ???? ?? ?? ??? ?? ???? ??:
So it starts off the list of those not allowed to eat of it with the 'estranged one" i.e. the Jew who has changed to another religion
After listing others, allowed and disallowed from eating the Korban Pesach it states:
47. The entire community of Israel shall make it. ??. ?? ??? ????? ???? ???:
In other words- the Jew who has converted to another religion is explicitly excluded from the community of Israel - they are not part of Bnei Yisrael, they are not Jewish!
When it is said a person remains Jewish regardless of converting, that is actually a statement to their detriment. The full statement should be- "a person remains liable to be judged under Jewish law even after converting to another religion." Thus a Jew who follows another religion would be punished with kares (spiritual excission) after death for being an apostate and abonding Judaism.
Despite all this, "messianic jews" try to claim they are Jewish. Why? For a very simple reason- they are a Christian missionary movement that is using lies, deceit and a "bait and switch" scam to try and convert Jews to Christianity. They are actually not that succesful- by their own admisson at most 20% of people in "messianic jewish" communities have even a tenuous connection to Judaism- and many of those are not Jewish by Jewish standards. External estimates put the number at under 10% with even a tenuous connection to Judaism- and only a tiny fraction of those are Jewish by Jewish standards (i.e. a Jewish mother or a valid conversion to Judaism)
Whats the difference between "messianic jews" and Christians- nothing- they are a Christian sect using the trappins of Judaism and nothing more
I'd check out the Jews for Jesus website. They believe that many of the laws are obsolete now that Yeshua has come. They still hold on to their identity as Jews but believe that the Messiah has come.
"Messianic Jews" are not Jews--they ARE Christians. Their beliefs are totally consistent which Christianity and are diametrically opposed to those of Judaism on many levels. No Jew on earth considers them to be Jewish in any sense of the word.