moon landing

Any government has tried to cover up many things, it is far from being U.S. exclusive, it is the nature of what they do.

We have learned SOOOO much about the environment, the 'inner' workings of how things work, pusing the limits of man kinds mental ability and physical .... I could list beneficial stuff that has come from space programs whether it be from maned exploration or looking into the skies to collect data forever. Didn't some forms of plastics come from the Apollo program? How big are plastics? All the 'advanced' technology that starts in aero space/millitary will end up for civilion use at some point, it all has pluses.

I don't understand why space exploration is not on the top of more peoples agenda. We know at some point this rock is not going to support all of us, might as well start looking now.

*edit* I'm still curious why we can't look up at the moon and see some stuff left behind by the landing crew. Like I said in an early post, the landing module that went to the moon - Did leave behind its 'legs' correct? I could see the footprints/flag not being there from being effected by environment, but a larger harder structure would still be there no? Not that I don't think we where there - Somewhere there is a vid of Armstrong KO'n some guy harrasing him in front of a hotel saying he never went to the moon. After lunch I will try to hunt it down.
 
do you know anything about A51?
I doubt it, If you do, you will know that the government covers everything up. Possibly the same as the moon landing.
 
True, True, but who cares it wont happen in our generation? Thats what most people would say.
Christains will belive in the prophicies with the end of the earth.
This planet will go bye bye, alot sooner than what the natural world is making it, because us (humans) are destroying it.
 
LOL... A51

Kid step away from your moms keyboard. Please.
 
LOL I'm done feeding.

Heaven for bid our government try to keep high end technology that they save for national security from becoming public knowledge. Stealth tech etc. Which was pionered in the 60/70's I think, but did not really see it untill the mid 90's. What do you think they have stashed away now?

I will say this - If and when there is a colony ANYWHERE off the planet - orbiting or on another planet - I will try to be #1 in line for civilions. It has been a dream of mine since I was a kid.
 
"Area 51" is a part of an off-limits military base near Groom Dry Lake in Nevada. UFOers are sure it is used to hidde aliens from us. The state of nevada recently designated a barren 98-mile stretch of Route 375, which runs near Area 51, as the Extratgerrestrial Highway. Such a move is no doubt proof of a government attempt to throw us off the track and think there is not a cover-up when there is one. This is a cover-up of the cover-up, typical of government agencies when dealing with sensitive information regarding UFOs and aliens.

Since you can be shot if you try to trespass on the military base Area 51 is located, UFO tourists must view the sacred ground from a distant vantage point. Many do this, hoping for a glimpse of a UFO landing. Apparently, our government has a treaty with the aliens that allows them to fly into this area at will, as long as we can experiment on them and try to duplicate their aircraft. You don't really think that any human could have come up with the idea of the Stealth Bomber, do you?

Skeptics don't doubt that something secret is going on in Area 51. And what is going on may be more sinister than building secret aircraft or developing new weapons. "Sixty Minutes" did a segment where Leslie Stahl suggested that Area 51 might be an illegal dumping ground for toxic substances. If so, Area 51 might turn out to be hazardous to your health in more ways than one. Several former workers at Area 51 and widows of former workers have filed lawsuits against the government for injuries or death resulting from illegal hazardous waste practices. So far the government has been protected from such suits because of "national security." In fact, the government does not even acknowledge the existence of the base known as Area 51. Such denials, of course, do little more than provide more ammo for those who claim there is a government conspiracy to cover up just about anything it's ever been involved in
 
Meh debatable. The Earth has gone through some tramatic changes over its life. We are not even a drop in the bucket in terms of our stay here compaired to the age of the Earth. Even if we really fubar Earth, kills ourselves off, nature will overcome and a new cycle of life will begin. It has happened in the past, it will happen again.

When Mt. St. Helens blew up, it spewed more CO2 into the air then mankind has in its entire existance thus far. Acording to Time mag in 1983, we where heading towards another Ice age, because of our actions. Now 20 years later Time is conviced we are cooking the planet. Water Vapor contributes to global warming moreso the CO2, you ever hear any politicans talking about anything then CO2? There is so much spin on this subject, I don't even think the 'experts' know anymore. It all depends on your agenda.
 
Aren't scientists great? They're so consistent and reliable -- if you want someone who changes his story 180-degrees every now and then!
 
If I sign up to your little ill-informed world of thought, can I get a free cookie?

Can you honestly match this offer?..........................

(i think that is the more important question here)
 
We have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the planet. who knows if we will break out in ww3 and everybody is using nuclear weapons.
Or what if a nuclear bomb get accidentally blown off. I realize thats not likely to happen, but mabey in the year 3000 or + people could be making nuclear bombs in their basements.
That sounds unlikely, but I gurantee the world will end, because of a human being an idiot. It may not be for anothe few thousand years, but I still think it will happen.
 
Bleh, I was working up this whole argument on why we don't have a base on the moon, then I realized this is about us actually landing there. I mean, you know meteorites hit the place from time to time right? *ahem*

NASA says it could take them a few more months to track down the storage room its in in their warehouses. Its amusing they've misplaced what amounts to an entire room full of data, but really, do you remember where you put everything you ever had over the last 37 yrs?
BBC Video
 
So its clear, the lunar lander launched from the moon, though it did leave the legs. The lander was actually jettisoned from the rest of the ship while in lunar orbit, and presumably crashed into the moon somewhere, but nobody really knows, as we haven't seen it yet.

As for why we can't see the legs, flag and footsteps....sigh. There was a link to a really good article posted. And the Hubble doesn't so much zoom in on deep space, its just more sensitive to light, so it points at what would be dark to us, and sees lots of things, but it has to look for quite awhile, and the moon moves fairly quick. For the Hubble to see something on the moon as even a dot, it would have to be the size of a football field.
Hubble viewing the moon
 
I know I shouldn't, but hey, it's Friday and I'm bored at work...





'Area 51' comes from the map designation used to track unused parcel of governmant owned land. It is part of a US military installaton that includes Nellis Air Force base and the Nevada test range.

The state of Nevada designated that highway Extraterrestrial Highway as a public relation/marketing move. The state derive a not insignificant amount of tourist dollars from nutbars trying to see the little grey aliens up there.




Since you can be shot for trespassing on any military facility anywhere in the world, that proves nothing.

The stealth bomber is nothing more than a conventional carbon fiber plane where the panels are angled to deflect radar energy away from the originating source. You seem to not have quite the grasp on what makes a radar operates.



Of course something secret is going on at Groom Lake. In the 40's and 50's Edwards AFB in California and Wright-Patterson in Ohio were used to test new aircrafts. It is far safer to do that in the middle of nowhere. Groom Lake happens to be perfect because of the large hard flat dried lake bed that can be used to land an aircraft is distress. I don't doubt that parts of that large deseert facility may be used for hazardous waste storage, I also have no doubt that some of the workers there handle some pretty nasty coumpounds. So do aerospace workers everywhere.

The government does not acknowledge the existance of the base known as Area 51 because no such base exist. It is part of the Nellis complex.
 
Oh, and if you decide you don't want to take th U.S. governments word on the landing. Wait a year or so.
Maybe you'll believe the Chinese.
 
Mudo;951365']People are usually taught...and in most cases it considered an intellectual process...to actually require proof of something happening before you believe it did.

If someone does a scientific study and the results show evidence of tampering and theres no other conclusive proof to back it up...most logical people are sceptical......


......unless its the moonlanding.
 
You are very welcome to grab a physics book or three and prove/disprove in small scale experiments every formula and physical law involved in the process.

Questioning everything is an Americans duty as a voter. We just get so fed up with people preaching at us that we stop caring. Honestly, in today's digital age, what proof could ever be good enough to convince us? Even if they were to take every skeptic on the planet to the moon and say "Here it is! Like the flag?" there will still be somebody screaming "How do we know you didn't put it there just before we got here?"

Another problem is scale. Things we send into space are small to us. Its difficult to even see probes in orbit without a telescope, all we see is a fast moving light at best.

So, it comes down to what we believe. Do I believe that a 1969 nation that had already harnessed the nuclear bomb, that had launched probes and men into orbit, that had jets, planes, trains and automobiles, could send a small craft to a huge rock in the sky and back. Yes, yes I do. We had thousands of years to tell us pretty much where the moon was gonna be at any given time, it wouldn't have been relatively hard to aim for where it would be and get into orbit.
 
No,they diden't get me,but it was close
I admit to be a sceptic person as far as politics are consernd.
Nixon was not a thrustworthy person to me.
But i could tell you exactly thesame about some of ure domestic polititians.
Sometimes i think some peaple are soooooo naieve,so easely blinded by official statements.
I have learened my lesson a long time ago.
About that documentary:i have told you exactly what i have seen.
The fact that manny members here do not accept my story just like that
is verry positief.
It means that you are as sceptical as i am,and i admire you for that.
But,i did not make this up,this was not my iofftopicgination.
I took the deliberate risc of making a fool of myself by telling this,but i think
is was worth it.
I have to stop now,the CIA is nokking on my door,have to run.
 
Which moon landing? If you don't believe 1969, do you believe 1970? 1971?

Do you also disbelieve that three men were in mortal danger on Apollo 13?
 
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