Obama or Oh Bummer?

Not all of them- some are exclusive to NHS; that's the problem we had with my Uncle. Some dentists (if you consider them Doctors) are exclusive as private practitioners.

Anyway, I can't state all the problems we've had as (thank God) those that died were not my parents so I don't know the full facts of what happened-all I do know is that there were no options for private treatment/it was too late due to misdiagnosis. As for Obama, what are your opinions on those that say he didn't get OBL and Al Qaeda leaders (especially the 'cold feet' story). I think foreign policy is Obama's plus point.

It's either through having a bad experience with Mormons, or Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld attack on Iraq, but I don't trust Romney.

I'm quite interested in the PRC structure- can someone explain that to me (particularly President vs Premier and Politburo vs Commitee). India's not as interesting to me but I don't see the point of India's President, same could be said for China's President but India's one seems to just want to OK everything and that's it.

I'm a Clinton guy
 
No Dentists are not medical Doctors, If you knew how Dr training is set up in the uk you would know how rediculous your comments are.

PS if your a clinton guy that makes you a democrat which is the equivelent to being a labour supporter in the uk.
 
In most countries, the president is basically a figurehead who has no executive power. I think India is one example of this.

Countries where the president has real power (e.g. France and the USA) are very much the exception.
 
And that's the crux of it. Economists are thought neoclassical economics, because that's been the status quo for the last 30 years. And that's exactly how we forgot the lessons of the great depression, and Keynesian economics. If you really don't think Keynesian economics works, you need to study economic history. This crisis was, in terms of makeup and character, quite close to the great depression. The things that elongated the great depression from a credit crunch into a 10 year depression were, amongst other things, austerity, tightening the money supply and te gold standard. The first two have been the considered policy of all the republicans, most of the democrats and seemingly most of Europe. The third one was the policy or Ron Paul, who's still duping college students nation wide.
The neoclassical economists got us in to this mess, with their buddies in the speculative investment, or gambling, banks. They should be the last people you run to for advice on how to get out of the situation.
 
So it's ridiculous giving the NHS a bad review when I know people who've had trouble with it? i've benefited from private healthcare while those who had the ability to go private also have; I know my cousin exhausted all options-private healthcare/a lung transplant was not available going private. I guess we are all 'ridiculous' for having preferences and opinions.

I'm obviously not a labour supporter, doesn't being against NHS prove that? Clinton was far more honest than Blair or Brown, the benefits system here allows almost every lazy idiot to get jobseekers or a free house and benefits, and income tax brackets in the USA are more reasonable in the USA.

Oh, and Labour and the Republicans were very chummy during the Iraq war so it's not uncommon to support parties with differing views.
 
The NHS, like any big medical care organisation, has times when it doesn't manage, for whatever reason, to make it okay.

Personally as someone who's had experience of private military healthcare and NHS care, I think the NHS is a great system. I've had two transplants on the NHS and top quality care for injuries in A&E. I've GPs who've always made priority time for me in three different areas of the country. I've had a few bad experiences too - but I can't fault the overall standard I've experienced. Almost the consultants I see for free work privately as well, but they've all advised me against going private because of the lack of qualified care 'out of hours' in the local private clinics compared with the NHS hospitals.
 
Actually, you don't. You know people who have died, and have been treated by the NHS. Your stories get more and more vague as you're asked for details though, eventually ended in a confession that you don't know the whole story.

So firstly - anecdotal evidence is not evidence.
Secondly - anecdotal evidence where you don't even know the full details of the story is even less evidence than none.



You said you didn't know the full story.

Tell me, do you think they keep a bank of human lungs somewhere, so that they'll have a compatible transplant lung for anyone who comes along and needs one? How exactly do you think transplants work?

[quoteI guess we are all 'ridiculous' for having preferences and opinions.[/QUOTE]

No. Ridiculous opinions are ones not based on evidence but on prejudice and hearsay.



Due to foreign terms and conditions, which I agreed to when I signed up, I will not recount the exact aspects of your character that I believe your opposition to the NHS proves.

But no, being against the NHS proves nothing about your party support - you are aware it was originally proposed by a Conservative Health Minister, and picked up by labour after the general election of 1945 aren't you? Essentially it was a cross-party project.



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I'm not surprised income tax brackets in the USA are more reasonable in the USA. It would be a challenge for income tax brackets in the USA to be more reasonable in other places than the USA, where they don't apply.

The benefits system here allows people to have a roof over their head and food. Yes, it gets abused by some - but the vast majority are looking for work and genuinely need the help to get them through.



Being that you're a student, I'd guess that you're too young to remember the pre-privatisation days then? So...how do you think you can make a valid comparison?
 
So how did Romney single handidly do that with the rest of the government controlled by Democrats? It's funny how Democrats are painted as completely helpless when something goes wrong, even when they vote for it, and yet are somehow the sole party responsible when something goes right.
 
Who says the rest of the government was controlled by democrats? Sure they had the majority in the state senate but only by a couple seats. Despite our usual democratic position nationally our state is usually fairly balanced. All He had to do is convince a couple peoiple from the other side to vote for his policies. No he wasn't solely responsible but it was his leadership and mostly his party.
 
Speaking as someone who works for the NHS, and happens to believe in what it stands for, I'm going to be quite honest and say that I think an awful lot of it's critics have no idea just what it offers. Private healthcare is great for whatever portion of the population can afford it, in the states, I've seen estimates putting 40-50% of the population receiving optimal healthcare, can you imagine the outcry if 50-60% of NHS patients received sub-optimal care? Private healthcare in the UK is fine, gets you treated quicker, you'll get a posher room and nicer food, but if your condition deteriorates, or you have post-operative complications, you'll find yourself in an NHS specialist facility. Not because the NHS reserves those functions for itself, but because no private health provider is willing to spend the money it takes to run specialisations, or intensive treatment units. As far as Dr's doing private work goes, some do, however it's strictly limited, primarily to make certain they don't neglect their health service posts in order to focus on the more lucrative work. If they want to work exclusively privately, I believe there's nothing stopping them, but you should bear in mind that, because of the previously mentioned lack of specialised or critical care, they'll be far less experienced in the management of more complex conditions. Do you really want to be treated for a life-threatening condition by a nurse or dr without specialist experience, who's in it for the cash? I'm very sorry that your family have had bad experiences, and I fully understand this tarnishing your opinion of the health service, but I'm afraid that doesn't make your position inherently tenable.

I don't intend to suggest the NHS is beyond reproach, it could very possibly benefit from reform, however, I don't think externally driven reform is going to benefit anyone, except perhaps the reformers, and their golf buddies of course.

As an aside, ronki, seriously? all you look for in politics is 'characters'? What do you think this is? Reality TV? Don't you think there might be slightly more serious things to consider then how much of a show they can put on? Because I have horrible news for you, real life decision making IS boring, and requires detailed knowledge to do effectively.
 
On a lighter note, conquering the states shouldn't take long if they start recruiting Scottish regiments en masse again. Carved out the British empire that tactic, kept an edge on the Roman empire before it!
 
I want to make a comment, but I don't want this to turn in to a US vs. UK thread which has been happening often enough for me to notice this last year. I fear the "good fun of it" will begin to get lost.
 
I'm afraid you are mistaken on the idea that it was a cross-party project. The Conservative Party fought tooth and nail against the introduction of the NHS, as did the BMA.

Like so many of the best things in this country, the Tories opposed it strenuously, and then pretend afterwards that they have always supported it. Democracy being another example.
 
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