Palestenian-Israeli Conflict

I'd consider calling a someone a personal attack unless they clearly state that they are prejudiced and thats exactly what DCombatives did. He called all Palestinians vermin and said he has no problems if they are exterminated. Sorry about this folks but I really don't see how calling such a person a bigot is a personal attack its an accurate description. Also considering all bigoted people Ive met in my life and in the history of the world have been fools at least in respect to their views on the people they are bigoted against I again consider "bigoted fool" an accurate description rather than a personal attack. If I have to put up with reading offensive views like DCombatives then I think alls fair... I mean put it like this if I had made the statement that all Americans are vermin and that I dont care if they are wiped out or squashed by tanks even the civilians how fine would that be? If its not fine why is it ok for DCombatives to say the exact same thing about Palestinians!
 
Sadly that is often the case.

But fortunately there are plenty of Americans who find that kind of bigotry just as obnoxious as the rest of us do.

Let's face it - every country has it's minority of bigots who make the decent-minded majority embarrassed to be associated with them.
 
Ok so you've established the context that slavery existed hundreds of years ago in the US and elsewhere, in collaboration with African slave traders.


Now it might be a good idea to at least make some link to the subject we're actually discussing before everyone simply assumes you were trying to drive the thread completely off topic.
 
Why do you keep trying to apportion blame for the trans-Atlantic slave trade to Africans? Without Europeans buying, there wouldn't have been Africans selling. Supply follows demand.

You can try to tart it up any way you want, but the responsibility for the slave trade lay squarely on the shoulders of the nations who ran it, who were primarily England, France, Holland, Spain and Portugal.
 
Sorry but Arabic peoples had been taking slaves from other peoples including African and European peoples and trading in them for hundreds of years before the Triangle trade got up and running, Ireland, Wales, Cornwall and Spain got raided by their ships, then later in history they sold slaves to Europeans during the Triangle trade.

Plus I wasn't there, You weren't there and no other bugger alive now was there. We could sit around all day and whine about what happened then but that's not the same as learning from it.
 
Who's whining? I'm not - I'm just responding to some misleading posts.

Sure there were Arabs trading in slaves for centuries before. Slavery has been around since the dawn of time. But nothing that was remotely on the scale of the trans-Atlantic slave trade. That is simple fact.

What I find strange is the way that some people always want to play it down, or try and divert the reponsibility elsewhere. Why do you suppose that is? Do they feel 'guilty' about it?

The fact is that history is littered with terrible events. If you care to dig, then no country doesn't have blood on it's hands for something or other, and we could all find something to be 'guilty' about if we chose to.

Why feel guilty? We are not responsible for everything that has been done in the past. Not as individuals, anyway. Collective guilt as nations maybe?

Well surely the best thing to do is just acknowledge what has happened, understand it, accept it, and move on. Like you said - learn from it.

But some people want to hide their head in the sand and live in make-believe land. It seems that they cannot face up to the past.
 
Close. The real reason people around the world hate America so much is that most Americans don't care what world thinks. If the French don't like us, so what? Why should we care what the Belgians or Italians, or anyone else for that matter thinks? What it comes down to is that most people in the world are insulted that their opinion means so little. They couch it with other things like "American policy", "Globalism", "America's unfair whatever..", but really it's a combination of envy, spite, and frustration.
 
It's a shame that MAP doesn't have an award for 'Most Pompous Windbag'. I think you'd have the 2006 award in the bag by now.
 
You're right, I did clearly state I'm prejudiced against the Palestinians. By definition, I am a bigot. I don't consider what was said a personal attack and to be honest, I'm comfortable with it. It is an accurate description. I'm not going to hide behind some notion of Political Correctness and pretend I think the Palestinians have a legitimate gripe. The difference between me and most bigots though, is that while not proud of it, I'm willing to admit it. I don't really like that I feel this way about an entire group of people. Another difference, is that my opinion does not come from ignorance, but from carefully studying the situation over a period of years. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't find a single redeeming quality in the Palestinian "national" character. That's just how I feel about it. I wish I didn't.

I'm perfectly ok with what CKava had to say. He's entitled to his opinion, just as I'm entitled to mine. Free societies engage in discussion and debate. But I'll tell you this: you won't see a discussion like this in society run by Hamas.
 
I think it is more a sort of people like me did this/ am I capable of doing something as evil as this feeling, once we accept that the fact we don't do it and oppose the whole concept of it we are on the way to dealing with it, I think that way anyway.




Totally Agree with you there mate.
 
That's exactly the point I was making. I don't think mentioning African complicity in the Atlantic slave trade should be taboo, especially when the only reason it was brought up in the first place was to show how evil Americans are.





Exactly. I don't feel guilty for it at all, but somebody in this thread clearly thinks we should or he wouldn't have brought the subject up.
 
I'm sure Osama Bin Laden has a very similar viewpoint on America, and by the way, your viewpoint is based on ignorance, because if you really did understand the situation then you wouldn't be making posts like that.
 
No, it's not taboo. But it's like pointing out that some Jewish people were 'complicit' in the Holocaust. It doesn't change the fact that the Nazi's were responsible one iota.


Quite possibly. Or possibly he was trying to draw a parallel to illustrate a point. I'm not sure!

Either way, maybe it's time to return to the topic of the thread after that interesting little diversion.
 
And of course all the blame for drug trafficking is to go to the people buying the drugs too. Hogwash.

The reality is that the Africans had slaves before the whites showed up and they had slaves after the Europeans quit the issue. Did whites own more slave that came out of Africa than did Blacks? No. Those slaves were owned by other Africans before they made it to the whites.

Both sides of the equation were guilty.
 
Really? And exactly what don't I understand about the situation that would give me a more enlightened viewpoint?

You're probably right about Bin Laden. The difference between me and him is that I feel he has a right to his opinion, while he feels I should be executed for mine and any gov't that doesn't execute me for it should be overthrown as well.
 
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