Palestenian-Israeli Conflict

You clearly havn't considered how the situation negatively affects the Palestinians, or how difficult life has been for them, or the opinions of the majority of the Palestinians. You work on stereotypes, the same things that motivated a bunch of guys to fly a load of planes into buildings a few years back. Congratulations, you're on the same level as a terrorist.
 
And that really annoys me. America has been the land of generosity. We donate more than any other country and has done so consistently for a very long time. The world seems to expect us to provide money for them, troops to help settle conflicts around the world, and everything else. Yet all the good we do is thrown out the window whenever one American does something that they don't like.
 
I think technically the US lags slightly behind on aid in comparative terms, but thats neither here nor there, but I agree that most of the accusations that the US faces are unfounded. The fact remains that in the middle east they see Americans as crusaders who have no respect for their culture or their lives. People like DCombatives reinforce that stereotype by making ignorant statements such as the onces he has posted on this thread. If America wants to change the way the rest of the world perceives it, which is what it should be endeavouring to do, unless it particularly enjoys the threat of terrorism, then it needs to show the world that America isn't a land of racist rednecks, and that they not only understand other cultures, but they appreciate them too.
 
Not hat isn't true. The 19 hijackers were religious fanatics. Motivated by the belief in Allah and an afterlife. They killed in the name Islam. Yes I realize a sect of it. DC does not fall into that category. Not to mention, the 19 hijackers lived amoung us. They lived in Hamburg Germany, Ft. Lee NJ, San Diego, CA, trained in AMerican flight schools etc.
 
Why did they fly those planes into those buildings? Because they thought thats what God wanted them to do. Why would God want to kill Americans? Because Americans are blasphemous animals who hate and kill Muslims every day.
 
1. Islamic extremism is attacking Europe as well as the US. The banning of Islamic headwear in schools by the French was very enlightened. I suppose we should ignore the riots in France. How about the bombings in London or Spain or Turkey or even Bali? (most of the victims were Aussies)

How about the shooting of a Dutch filofftopicker who's movie showed the mistreatment of Islamic women? How about the cartoons of Mohammed? I guess Europe needs give up its freedom of expression because it makes enemies of Islam

2 If Americans become enlightened about Islam, this will stop terrorism how? Muslims will not fall in love with America instantly.

3 Europeans hold alot of ignorant opinions about Americans. Europeans are not attacking America. So why should we care that Europeans hold ignorant opinions? Europeans are free to do so. Why is our job to educate Europeans about us? Is Europe unable to be more open?

I don't see how trying to more well liked is anything more than the high school version of international politics.
 
1 - Most of those attacks were committed by people that had been convinced that God wanted them to do it, because the people of that country were the enemies of Islam. The Islamophobic attitudes of those countries further compound this belief.

The shooting of the Dutch filofftopicker was not committed by the entire Muslim population of the world, to suggest that it is indicative of muslims everywhere is ignorant (theres that word again).
The cartoons were a different issue, they were extremely offensive to the majority of muslims, and they exercised their right to peacful protest, a few decided to cross the line and become violent, again, not representative of the entire muslim community any more than a handful of American soldiers murdering Iraqi women and children is representative of the entire US Military.

2 - In the long run it might, if America shows that it is not friend to the Israelis, enemy to the Palestinians, by not showing favour to the Israelis at every turn then yes, I do believe it will reduce the risk of terrorism.

3 - And Americans show a lot of ignorant opinions about Europeans, it is each countries responsibility to educate others about its culture.
 
The problem here is that we constantly hear how the violent Muslims are but a small percentage of the population and do not represent the moderate Muslims or Islam. I would love to believe. However, that mythical moderate Islam is not there to criticize the fundamantalists. Until the fundamantalists are marginalized by their own community, they will grow.

The difference with the US military, is that those soldiers are charged and convicted by the military. Going back further, when Baruch Goldstein murder the palestinians in Hebron some years ago, the entire Jewish community was very quick, decisive and unequivocal in it's comdemnation of his acts.

We just had a very well publicized series of arrest of Muslims in Toronto. They had aquired 3 tonnes of amonnium nitrates to make bombs. While these are still just acusations, the reaction of the Muslim community is of shouting innonence and entrapment.




Then you are deluded my friend. Israel is a convenient excuse. Bin Ladens original reason for 9/11 was US presence in Saudi Arabia. Only later did he include Israel, because he knew that it would appease the left-wing Europeans.



America is not liked in much of the world because of the majority of it's population unwillingness to learn about the rest of the world. A depressingly large number of Americans think WWII started in Dec, 1941. Their incredible ignorance of Canada boggles the mind. We ahsre the longest undefended border in the world, and are each others biggest trading partners, yet they are whofully ignorant of us. It's that arrogance that alienates them for the rest of the world.
 
Not really, the UK has been a target with the London bombings, but that is undoubtedly as a result of Tony Blair's support for Bush's foreign policy. Which is very very unpopular in the UK.


You consider that a threat to freedom of expression. Most people look at the US with the Patriot Act, the Department of Homeland Security and Guantanemo bay as a much more serious threat to freedom of speech.


It would stop the American's from digging an even deeper hole for themselves.


You say "ignorant" opinions, so how does that explain why more than half the population of the US don't support Bush's policies either?


Then you clearly have no grasp of politics.
 
Islamic extremism has used London as a base for years. A terror attack in UK was only a matter of time. Didn't London police just prevent a possible chemical attack? Terrorism in UK and through out Europe will continue well beyond the removal of British or Italian troops from Iraq.

Van Gogh's murder is one of many growing events of Muslim extremists lashing out against European "ignorance" Sure this small group is never condemed by more moderate Muslims in an ever growing Muslim population in Europe.






The Patriot Act doesn't violate freedom of expression a.k.a the first amendment. If anything it violates the 4th amendment. learn American law before spouting off.




Okay sure. High gas prices and Immigration policy explain Bush's low approval ratings. But of course no one on this website has a firm grasp of politics including yourself.
 
Building an American policy on getting everyone to liking America is stupid. There will always be a reason to not like the US. Same with Europe. The Islamic world will hate the Western world because we are not Islamic. UK will not win allies in the Islamic world with the removal of troops from Iraq. Spain isn't any safer than before. It wont change due to which politican is in office or what party.

Yes the are moderate Muslims who don't commit acts of violence but they have failed to condem them also. There is no voice in the Islamic world calling for peace.

The US supports various Muslim countries including Saudia Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Yemen and the UAE. Prior to Hamas's victory the US supported the Palestinans. Yet the extremists seem to ignore this part while citing the US support for Israel. The exremists themselves didn't like Saddam. The US supported the Jihad against the Soviet Union which OBL participated in and yet we are his enemy. OBL himself wanted to protect Saudia Arabia from Saddam in 91' and was upset the US did it. What is it the US has to do to be friends
 
you have somehow been living in toronto and missed these stories? you seem to conveniently gloss over these many stories of muslims condemning this violence.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/06/04/muslim-blair.html?ref=rss

"Canadian Muslims absolutely condemn an act of violence or threat of violence," Muhaofftopicd Alam, president of the Islamic Foundation of Toronto, told a joint news conference in Toronto on Sunday afternoon.

"This is not about religion or faith," but about political and social situations around the world, he said.

Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair agreed, saying the accused were motivated by an ideology based on politics and violence, not by faith. "This is not the action of the Muslim community."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/06/04/canada.terror/index.html

TORONTO, Ontario (CNN) -- Canadian Muslim organizations have condemned an alleged plot to bomb Toronto-area buildings, while a lawyer for one of the 17 suspects in custody called the charges against them "vague."

We are committed to the safety and security of Canada and Canadians," said Mohaofftopicd Alam, president of the Islamic Foundation of Toronto. "We of all Canadians are shocked at the recent arrests of young Muslim men and teenagers and the very serious allegation against them."

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Law/2006/06/05/1615345-sun.html

"Canadian Muslims absolutely condemn any acts of violence or threats of violence including terrorism in all its forms," IFT president Mohamad Alam at a public meeting at the foundation's green-trimmed gymnasium.
 
I have not missed them. Notice how every one of them skirts around the problem. It's never about Islam. While not every Muslim is a terrorist, the only form of terrorism that spans the globe is Islamic terrorism. Muslims need to stop their denial and address the cancer in their midst.
 
We're in Afghanistan. Our government skirted the Iraq situation by publicaly refusing to go, while increasing our presence in Afghanistan to enable the US to shift troops from one country to the other.
 
yes but Canada can't be blamed for supporting the US invasion of Iraq yet Toronto PD and Mounties prevented a terror attack. Hmmm.
 
True. But accusing them of atacking the West because our values clash with theirs is not PC.

Or maybe it's because of Canada's large Jewish population and our support of Israel. Our maybe it's just because they are a bunch of fanatics bent who can't stand `other ideas.
 
so when the moderate mulsims say clearly that they do not condone this behavious and it is not representative of islam, that is not enough? what else are they supposed to do go out and track down the terrorists themselves?

as for islamic terrorism *spanning the globe* i hope you are being rhetorical becasuse you are pretty clearly wrong.

on edit.. a list of terrorist groups many of whome are not islamic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist_groups
 
no but canada can be blamed for being one of the most active armies on the ground in afghanistan. one of the people on the news who had spoken to these kids before they were arrested specifically said that they were very upset about canada's role in afghanistan.
 
Saying they don't condone it whenever there is an issue is not enough if they don't address it any other time. The reality is that for quite a while, the majority of terrorist events that have resulted in significant deaths have involved muslims. If the moderates believe that the terrorism is wrong, they need to teach the others to stop.

Islamic terrorists do pretty much span the globe from east to west. It is certainly not limited to just the Middle East. Terrorism by Muslims has reached from the US and Canada to Indonesia.

Your link was very interesting. You did a good job of showing that the majority of religious terrorists are Muslims. Was that what you were trying to do?
 
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