Palestenian-Israeli Conflict

You stopped quoting too early.



From May 9th, to May 16th, on two seperate occasions, terrorists were attempting to smuggle explosives into Gaza. 1,100 pounds in one case that they caught. Does anyone doubt that they were planning on using those explosives even though they were under a cease fire?
 
Is that an intentional attempt to offend people on the thread or just that you lack the level of understanding to realize that it would be offensive? If the first, it is against the TOS. If the second, how can you be involved in this type of discussion?
 
it was the first one i found



a typical Zionist response of passing the buck and failing to take responsibilty for this horrific slaughter.



what use is an apolagy ?
 
There were several sources on the previous page. Interesting that you being in London find the page in a Sydney paper that is inaccurate and has the harshest rhetoric but didn't see the ones listed in the thread already. But ok.



Are you calling me a Zionazi for pointing out that the article is wrong or are you calling Israel Zionazi's for retaliating? If the first, I am not Jewish. If the second, what does that say about the Palestinians for retaliating for the Israeli's retaliation? Perhaps you might want to think about what you are trying to say?



Only someone civilized will make an apology when they feel that they failed in some way. Since they apologized, it shows that they are willing to admit that they failed in this area and that they killed someone that was innocent. Since their opponents fail to apologize, it would lead one to correctly believe the Palestinians intend to kill the people they do. So when they kill babies, they mean to kill babies.
 
http://www.jr.co.il/terror/israel/


They get apologies? Its a crap argument that can be turned and used on the other side.

I am not massively fond of America's policies towards Isreal. Both sides own the blame. Both sides have work to do. Yet that does not excuse Hamas' actions any more then you would say it excuses Isreal's. Face it, attempting demonize Isreal is not going to solve the problems. Ignoring the part that Haofftopics plays in the bad blood between Isrealis and Palestinians isn't going to do it either.
 
So very true. In all the links that were posted about the recent Israeli attack or the Hamas attack in it's retaliation, none seemed to concern themselves with the attack on Israel that happened first.
 
There isn't a simple solution, it will take decades to resolve this even with the best of intentions. However, buying into Israel's demonisation of the Palestinian's is simply going to make the problems worse. Until the West starts to take the plight of the Palestinians seriously and stops siding with Israel and gets out of Iraq the hatred that already exists in the Middle East will grow and flourish and result in more reprisals against Western targets.

Nobody benefits from the polarised view of this conflict that sees the Israeli's as innocent victims of evil Palestinian terrorists.
 
Good thing that no one I know of thinks that Israel is entirely blameless then, isn't it. But the rampant posting here that seems to try to cast the Palestinians as blameless is just as bad.
 
I wonder if anyone benefits from the polarised view of the conflict that sees the Palestinian's as innocent victims of evil Israeli terrorists? What do you think?
 
Go back, read my post and you see quite clearly my answer to this question. Stop trying to be smart it just makes you like an ass.
 
I haven't seen a single posting that says that the Palestinian's are blameless. I've seen lots of postings talking about evil Hamas and the poor Israelis who have no choice in what they do. The only bad guys in this scenario are US who have come down very unfairly on one side because it suits their economic interests to have a foothold in the Middle East.
 
Really? I must have been mistaken because it sure seemed like a number of people including yourself, slip, sankaku, manewbie have pretty much been saying this has all been Israel's fault.

Of course, it doesn't come as a surprise that you want to place the blame on the US for supporting Israel.
 
Do you often have problems like this keeping up?


No, the US get the blame for making the situation worse and polarizing opinions both in the West and in the Middle East. People like you make it worse because you buy into all the ridiculous propaganda that portrays all those who oppose the US as evil.

You probably don't even think it was absolute insanity when George W wanted to bomb Al Jazeera. Admit it, you thought it was a good idea didn't you?
 
Well, why don't you help me out by showing the post numbers for the people I mentioned where they said the Palestinians were partly to blame?



People like me? Really? You are good for a laugh.

Listen, the US does things that aren't the greatest. But you have a major chip on your shoulder the US as has been evident in numerous threads. The reality is that we do an awful lot of good in the world. I would even go so far as to say that we probably do more good in the world than any other country, period.
 
Firstly, I don't know when you came to the conclusion that trying (and I stress the word TRYING) to insert a cutting remark into every post was big and clever but just in case you missed this lesson when you were in primary school. Calling someone a 'poo head' or a more adult equivalent does not in fact make you big or clever nor does it add any authority to your posts. What it does do is give the impression of a smug middle aged British man sitting smirking to himself as he types his replies. This may be an inaccurate image and yes I know your not technically British but this is the image that your posts give me and I have a feeling I'm not alone in thinking this.

Secondly, practically all your posts have been arguing how justified the Palestinian cause is and demonising the Israelis. If you aren't aware of this then I suggest YOU should go back and re-read your posts! For some examples lookey:

See here you offer a justification for Palestinians killing children... its a "natural reaction". Compared to Israel which you highlight 'kills' and 'murders children'.

If you think your offering a balanced non polarised view why do you only use negative language for one side? The Israelis are "nutters hell bent on genocide" while the Palestinians will "never stop fighting against the Israelis". This sounds incredibly like one sided rhetoric if I said that the British are "nutters hell bent on genocide" while the IRA will "never stop fighting against the British" does it sound like a neutral viewpoint?

The view you have presented on the Israel/Palestine conflict is about as neutral as Fox's view on the America/Iraq war. So making platitudes about how people need to stop demonising one side is incredibly rich because you doing the exact thing your complaining about.

P.S. Generally I sympathise with the Palestinian argument but unlike yourself I really do think there are two sides to every story and that killing innocent civilians is NEVER justified especially when it is intentional.
 
The UK is one of the staunchest allies in the world. When Tony Blair announced that he was going to support the invasion of Iraq, people took to the streets in protest and even his own cabinet ministers were resigning. It was and still is a deeply unpopular decision, it will probably cost him the next general election. Let me remind you again that this is the UK one of your staunchest allies.

The US are not regarded anywhere outside of the US in the manner you describe. Your president is seen as a joke and as one of the biggest threats to world peace in the last 50 years. Why do you think that they are publically burning US flags in every country in the world? US foreign policy is seen as nothing more than inept bullying based on self interest. You really need to get out of the US for a while and see how your country is currently viewed across the world (if you can find somewhere safe enough to travel to).
 
Close enough, smiling to myself about how out of touch with reality you are.



No I didn't


Israel do kill and murder children, since when has a natural reaction become a justified reaction?


Where did I sign up so that I had to provide a neutral viewpoint. I see a thread with a bunch of Americans and medi demonising the Palestinians and think "blinkered aholes" and then entertain myself by pointing out that it isn't a straightforward as you want to believe from watching 2 minute news reports between game shows.



No, you have made some truly ridiculous statements justifying the Israeli's, justifying US foreign policy, justifying your presidents division of the world into good guys and bad guys depending on whether or not they are friends with the US. I'm bored of dumb Americans (and I do recognise that there are smart
Americans as well) on this forum who just don't get the fact that many of us across the world do not see America=good Arabs=bad. I and many people in the UK want British troops out of this war now. If there was a referendum tommorow do not doubt that the troops would be flying home at the end of the week.

Do you really think that the pictures you see of people burning the American flag across the world are something to do with strange religious ideas, or a lack of understanding of the good that America is trying to do? I've got bad news for you the hatred is based on what America is doing, and its getting worse by the day.

Of course you'll say that I hate Americans or something ridiculous like that, again you'll be wrong so to save the two or three posts I usually have to make because of your comprehension difficulties. I don't hate Americans, I think American Foreign policy is very bad and your president is a moron, many other people do hate Americans though and it's getting worse by the day.

You may have gathered by now that my politics are left wing, however, you will probably be surprised to learn that condemnation of the war in Iraq goes right across the political spectrum in the UK. Here's a report from one of our more conservative newspapers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/newscomment.html?in_page_id=1787&in_article_id=389479
 
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