Palestenian-Israeli Conflict

I'm not ignorant, I just dont believe that you can form an opinion on a race based on its extremes, if I did then I would be accusing all christians of burning crosses and wearing white robes, all black people of drug dealing, rape and murder and all US Soldiers of murdering children.
 
Might it have something to do with the fact that the US pays 22% of the total budget of the UN and 27% of all peacekeeping missions?
 
I'd be interested in seeing your source, and the rest of the breakdown.
 
You are definitely ignorant of Islam and Muslims; I don't know what else to say. This is a Palestine-Israel thread though; I'm not going to turn it into an argument with you over whether Islam is evil or not by wasting my time posting responses as if your posts had valid points that merited a response. I'll just dismiss your foolish assertions rather than waste my time arguing against you.

Is the time you spent in Muslim dominated cultures the same as the time you spent righting in Iraq and Afghanistan? I wouldn't count that as really meeting Muslims. You probably have not opened a book or read a website on what Muslims say about Islam...I'd think that they would know best about it.
 
lol...based upon your replies you have never touched a copy of the Quran or read anything close to an interpretation of it other than your anti-Islam sites.
 
You are really a funny guy. Calling others ignorant when they are just being sarcastic and behaving like you, and then thinking you see the issue clearly?
 
wow cut and paste, very impressive.

whoever wrote that article clearly has no idea of what Islam or the Koran is really about,

in fact all they are doing is spreading hatred and mistrust,

all I will say on the matter is that there is such a thing as context. quoting the Koran out of context is common practise amongst islamaphobes.





yes please go on, please provide proof. your list is not proof of anything
 
I think there is a fine line between terrorists and fighting for freedom. I think that line has been crossed. Blow up buildings and military units instead of civilians and you have a point.



What, all 10 of them?

Seriously, there aren't many there that love the US or the west.



Then you would be arguing that those who hold a religious claim to the war are both a minority and doing so out of a misinterpertation? That it should be considered strictly a spiritual war and not a physical one?




The Russians are not trying to wipe out the Chechens. And although the Palestinians have the right to fight, they don't have the right to target civilians.


Can you think of any major conflict that didn't? I am trying to come up with a list off the top of my head, but I can't. But I think a better question is how many of those conflicts were truly religion based? Then I think the number shrinks dramatically. As an example was Iraq and the first Gulf War really against Islam considering Iraq attacked another country that was predominately Islamic? No.
 
Of course you're going to dismiss it because you really don't know what to say or how you can counter the mountain of evidence that shows the pervasiveness of Jihadist philosophy in current day Islam around the world. Attempting to divorce discussion of that philosophy is to ignore the root cause of the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. It is central to why Hamas won the election and why there will be no peace. It is impossible to discuse the situation without understanding the motivations of the key players. How do you not get that?



No, I actually spent the majority of my time in North Africa and the Cauccuses prior to 9/11.
 
Dcombatives, I have to agree with MAnewbie. I think that document you quoted with the passes from the Koran is more than a little off. You can pull passages out of the Bible the same way. Yet, no legitimate person studying the Bible today would take the view that a Christian should be going around killing people.
 
I stand corrected. What I meant to include was Liberia and Sierra Leone. With so many of them, I got my conflicts confused.

West Africa: Debate Over al Qaeda's Connection to West Africa's Diamond Trade Takes New Turns

allAfrica.com

INTERVIEW
August 5, 2004
Posted to the web August 5, 2004

Washington, DC

The arrest of a Tanzanian fugitive in Pakistan last week, release of the 9-11 Commission report in Washington and a forthcoming finding by a war crimes tribunal in Sierra Leone have rekindled the debate over what role, if any, west African diamonds played in financing the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks in the United States.

Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani, a Tanzanian accused of masterminding the 1998 bombings of American embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam, who was arrested by Pakistan security forces along with more than a dozen other al Qaeda suspects, has been identified as a linchpin of an al Qaeda diamond trading operation in Liberia and neighboring Sierra Leone. Washington Post correspondent Douglas Farah, in a recently published 225-page book entitled "Blood from Stones: The Secret Financial Network of Terror," provides a detailed description of al Qaeda's activity in West Africa. Corroborative accounts have been published by the London-based nongovernmental organization Global Witness and by the Special Court for Sierra Leone, established by the United Nations to investigate crimes against humanity committed during Sierra Leone's brutal civil war in the 1990s.

According to Farah, American intelligence agencies overlooked the connection between diamond trading and al Qaeda and the central role played in harboring and profiting from the illicit dealing by Liberian President Charles Taylor, who was forced into exile in Nigeria last year under a deal brokered by the U.S. government. Farah's findings have been hotly disputed by the CIA and FBI, and their viewpoint was reflected in the recently release report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, also known as the 9-11 Commission. "We have seen no persuasive evidence that al Qaeda funded itself by trading in African conflict diamonds," the report states (page 171).

But a confidential investigation by the Sierra Leone Special Court further bolsters the view that that the alliance between Taylor and al Qaeda was substantial, according to an article in Wednesday's Boston Globe by Washington correspondent Bryan Bender. "Al Qaeda allegedly paid Taylor for protection and then joined him in the African diamond trade, raising millions of dollars for terrorist activities, according to UN war crimes documents," Bender wrote. Citing the Special Court's investigation and U.S. intelligence official, Bender said a planned raid a few weeks after September 11, 2001 by U.S. Special Forces aimed at capturing Ghailani and an associate in Liberia was called off for unexplained reasons. One explanation raised by Bender's sources was Taylor's reported longstanding relations with the CIA.

Farah, who currently serves as senior fellow at the National Strategy Information Center, discussed with AllAfrica's Eunice Ajambo the 9-11 Commission findings, the interaction between Al Qaeda and West Africa's diamond trade, and his view of the role U.S. intelligence has played.
 
lol..."mountain of evidence."
Usually when I'm arguing this with people, I get irritated. This really amuses me.

Why did Hamas only win now? Why not in the past?
Could it be because the former Palestinian leaders were getting nothing accomplished for a long time and were percieved as not being for the Palestinian people?

With your views, you most likely didn't get out much while you were there.
 
What point are you trying to make here? That Al Qaeda used african diamonds to raise money? How does this help your assertion that Islam is evil?
 
The point is the Jihadists have been primary players in almost every major conflict since the end of the cold war.

I'm not assterting that Islam is evil. I'm correctly pointing out that the philosophy of Jihad is central to the Palestinian/Israeli crisis and the role that crisis plays in the wider conflict the Jihadists are engaging in around the world.
 
And posting passages from the Quran that give the message that Muslims are merciless killers and posting sites like Apostates of Islam is not asserting that Islam is evil?
 
You are correct. The cut and paste quotations were his hard evidence to prove Israel is at fault for the crisis after I repeatedly urged him to provide facts that would counter what I presented. My point here is that if out of context quotes from the Koran are not real evidence, than how are out of context quotes from Israeli leaders evidence? You can't dismiss one and not the other.
 
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