Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Also all it proves that that many north western Europeans share a common ancestry. Which actually re-enforces allowing European migration since were all so genetically related or should we kick out everyone who doesn't have this Iberian Gene marker? How long do you have to live to make a claim on land? 100, 1000, 10000, 100000 years? Where's the cut off point Garth?
"Most of these samples were collected from people living in small, long-established towns, whose grandparents had also lived there. "
It is true that people are allowed to have racist opinions if they want to. That doesn't stop them being abhorrent.
A major problem can be seen in the video that Garth posted. People who agree with the BNP will say 'yeah, that's right - we're not racist, we just want our jobs.' while people who disagree will be fighting an urge to smash their monitors while watching (like I was).
Arguments such as, 'we have the MOBOs but if you want a white music awards ceremony you're a racist' overlook the point that has been made clearly in this thread. Whites are the majority and on the whole have it easy. We don't need a Martin Luther King because we haven't been oppressed.
Also, I find the view of Polish workers shocking. I'm white British, my girlfriend is Polish. She competes for jobs at national wage level to support her studies which she pays for in this country even though she could get that education in Poland for free. She pays tax on her earnings, as do her Polish friends who live round here, because surprisingly in south London there are LOTS of them. The only case I know of a Pole getting their tax back when they returned to Poland was the same as a non EU Hong Kongese friend who also got a lot of tax back, because they worked for half that financial year then reclaimed what they'd 'overpaid', the same as if I worked for only half a year in Britain. Incidentally all the Poles I know are in flatshares, the same as me and everyone else not long graduated and living in a big city. Some of them share rooms, but that's called a relationship and it's nothing new. In a previous job I did audit a couple of factories/farms, where Eastern Europeans bunked together to save money to take home. Those businesses were expanding because finally they had more labourers that they couldn't previously find at any wage. Go figure...
I'm currently unemployed. Do I begrudge foreign workers? No. It's because there are better candidates for jobs I'm going for. I either set my sights lower or improve my training.
We also have an agreement with the EU to allow workers to move around. This allows two million Britons to live and work abroad without any red tape. We don't do badly out of it. A couple of years ago I was in Latvia and over a few years wages had barely increased while prices had trebled (quintupled for land and property). Why? Because richer Westerners were buying things when the Baltic states moved into the EU. Did the BNP complain? 'Wait, this will have repercussions?' ummmm.....no.
Final thought: the UK is a more richly diverse and interesting place with people of all nationalities living here. Those that can't make it tend to go home, while 'disenfranchised' Brits tend to moan. Incidentally, my last job was auditing government accounts and the negative effects of foreigners claiming benefit or avoiding tax is next to nothing in a set of government accounts.
You then post a wikipedia link to the Douglas family, but this link says...
Strange that.
But anyway to put it into perspective.
Just because your name or your grandads name is Douglas it does not follow that you can trace your ancestry back 800 years.
My last name is Arthur, (Possible the oldest clan)
As the Gaelic saying goes: "As old as the hills, the MacArthurs and the Devil"
but it would be foolish to presume that i am related to the Macarthur Clan, (even though Arthur as a surname is a lot less common than Douglas)
UK surname frequency
Douglas: 23695 (0.052% of population) making it the 223rd popular name
Arthur:7226 (0.016% of population) making it the 861st popular name
http://www.britishsurnames.co.uk/surnames/ARTHUR/
or to the legendary King Arthur (If he existed) or to General Mcarthur. But to do so without historical documents would be a nonsense.
In fact the fact that your family name is Douglas may mean no more than in the past your family lived on the family Douglas estate or fought or served the Douglas family.
Names of people were often given for the place they lived not their surnames i.e John of the Green, Hugh of Douglas.
As time went on this shortened to John Green, Hugh Douglas etc
Or of course it could also mean "Dark Water"
Interestingly if your Grandfather is a Douglas why did he not receive the estate and titles.
Well actually if we all came from Africa we cant kick out anyone.
This is where the point comes in. I dont think i'm saying tat we should kick everyone out. In fact i didnt.
My point is that we need to have a point where we say "That is enough"
The point is this
Do we control immigration to keep our jobs for British people ie people who have paid tax, fought in our armed forces etc
Or do we open the gates for cheap labour, mass immigration etc.
Its your decision, but I doubt there would be many people who would opt for the latter.
Oh and as a final point we could also argue from this perspective that when Nazi Germany wanted to invade in 1940 we should have let them in after all we are all German and they have just as much right to be here as we do.
I'm not going to reply to all your post because frankly I'm not getting myself embroiled any further in this inane debate. But the reason I said that was because there's a big sod off BNP logo in the top right corner and it says BNP TV. I.e. it's something the BNP deem worthy of broadcasting. It's hardly going to say how we're all descended from Africans, is it?
As I've said before - race doesn't technically exist. Yes we have different skin colours, but this is an evolutionary trend. Now if half of us were mutants we could say there was a different race, but funnily enough, we all have two arms, two legs, two eyes.
And while we're using surnames to talk about claims of culture:
(o')Donoghue (my surname) - Frequency = 0.001% to 0.007%, depending on spelling. Funnily enough I know all about my culture, my whereabouts, my beginning. Mainly because my roots lie to the west of Britain.
Now, as I said 2 pages ago, I bow out. Properly this time. I'm not posting anymore.
Going off topic a teeny bit why are the nazis always brought into these debates? There seem to be a lot of people who don't understand comparing immigration to an army invading, killing and generally commiting a host of war crimes is a bit cliche by now and is also more than a little stupid and ignorant.
From what I gather these has deviated into the "british jobs for british people" thing. Right my view is that generally peopel who ahve lived in a country longer deserve a higher priority as long as it doesn't endanger someones lives such as refusing to treat an immigrant with cancer to help a born brit who has a broken leg or something. Problem with the BNP is they're damn good at playing on peoples fears. I checked their website before and I was pretty convinced to vote for them (if i could) just because what they said seemed to make sense with all the other stuff I was reading and hearing about foreign people getting bumped up housing lists and living off benefits with twenty kids etc.
Like I said before two seats is hardly the apocolypse but this was going to happen with the recession and everything. Give it a few years and they'll lose their seats again, hopefully to ukip
The thing is that whenever you say "British Jobs for British Workers (And this includes Indians, Pakistanis, people of African, Carribean origin etc). Or that we must limit immigration
Suddenly you are deemed a racist.
This is the problem. we have lost the guts to stand up to say what we feel, and if we do we fear arrest or fear being called a racist.
65 years ago people in this country fought to keep the Nazi Agenda from our shores and out of Europe.
Today we have Sharia law being voted on by the UN as a punishable crime if you make a criticism of it, and the PC debate has become so hot that you have to think twice before saying something in case you lose your job.
And the only ones that do stand up and say "this is wrong" are the ones we brand the Nazis i.e the BNP.
I agree we dont need a white music award, or a white police association. BUT you shouldnt be called a racist for making a statement.
After all you have to asdmit that if a white music award only for white artist would be racist (and it is) then a black music award only for black artists is also racist.
Or is their an exclusion there.
Hardly seems fair, and it hardly works towards us all being equal in a so called equal society.
A lot of British people have taken advantage of the free movement within the EU rule. There are a lot of British people living in Spain, France, Germany, Italy etc. Just because you haven't taken advantage of your rights under this treaty doesn't mean that no one else should be able to either. If we pull out of this treaty or play games with it at all, you might effectively be screwing over all of those British people who are currently living and working abroad. So if we were to kick out 500,000 predominantly tax paying poles, we could end up with well in excess of 1m predominantly retired Brits being sent home - that's going to be a considerable net loss fiscally speaking and it probably wont free up many jobs that snobby British workers are willing to do - remember, a lot of the jobs Poles do are jobs that weren't being filled before they arrived. Strawberry picking is considered too common for the British worker.
Wow - now theres a typically ridiculous comment from a BNP sympathiser.
If it makes me a bnp sympathiser so be it: I agree with this one a bit too, moving away from britian I've noticed a few things like ebony and some black journalist group thingand generally groups exclusivley for other races. I don't have a huge problem with that but if you made a group for white people only you would be viewed as a neo nazi or some other thing
Hey I'm just voicing an opinion its not technically hurting anyone and as far as I know its a view a lot of people share. A lot of people my age anyway.
No you're not. We do limit immigration. Economic migrants from outside the EU must justify their coming to Britain.
The 'ad hitlerum' argument: the longer a thread continues on the internet, the closer the probability of hitler or nazis being referenced gets to 1.
There is an 'exclusion' in that it is selective. Justin Timberlake is white, but can win a MOBO because the music is classified as 'of black origin.' It is not about the colour of the artist. You could argue that there should be a more widely promoted celtic music award ceremony in Britain, because that is largely a genre, as is black (roughly blues, gospel, r and b, hip hop), whereas white isn't.
The black police association is there to address needs of a minority working for the public good in an organisation deemed 'institutionally racist'. I'm glad you agree we don't need a white police association, but just to whinge a bit more about the woman on the video, I'm not sure exactly why she would think one needs suggesting.
That is the main issue in those areas, such groups have to address something that people feel is lacking.
In the case of support for the BNP, it is typically people who feel their jobs are being taken, willing to believe that every migrant has all the bad qualities attributed to economic migrants, asylum seekers, or illegal immigrants. i.e. they all get a free council house, dont pay tax, work below the minimum wage, pricing out locals, sending all their earnings abroad until they can bring their whole family over to claim even more benefits etc etc.
Sadly extremists have always faired better in economically poor conditions, which is where pre-war Europe could more reasonably be used as a comparison. [if the mainstream politicians don't have the answers, look to the radicals.]
However, as has been pointed out, BNP turnout was largely the same as it has been recently anyway, the seats were gained by an absence of other, mainly Labour voters. Voters for more extreme parties are often those who feel they have to vote for change and for someone who will rescue them, as used to be Old Labour for the working classes under the Tories.
There is a glimmer of hope though, a commentator on the Daily Politics today noted that where the BNP got into councils previously, their support in Thursday's election had fallen. So hopefully when people see that they're not all they're cracked up to be, the moderates who protest vote for them will turn away, leaving just the extremists voting in too few numbers to count.