Something that has annoyed me today......

but u wouldnt get maternity pay if the business folded- which many small businesses do if they are forced to pay for years of maternity pay!
 
"Saying that you shouldn't employ a woman just because at some point she might consider having a baby is crap."

But that's not what he said - he is saying that that is what goes on, because....

"small businesses might not beable to aford paying a staff member for a month or 2 off work but that doesn't mean that woman who can have children shouldn't be alowed the opertunity to work."

So what do we do with small businesses that can't afford ML? That is his question.

A friend of ours got a job at a large bank solely because of their maternity leave policy. Following the birth she had 18 months off for post-natal depression, during which time she set up a home business. Sometiems you can't blame emploers for being wary.

"Again, fair enough, but in the same vein, should a child's education be based not on their abilities, but their sex?"

No, but I wonder how education would change if maternity leave was part of it? (no sick jokes please)
 
That is the extreme Darwinian fallacy, our species owes more to our cooperative behaivior in survival then competition.

People who are ignorant are easily manipulated. Leadership is done by example and most folks are pretty good at self governing given the opportunity.

Saying that somone is less then equal is a good excuse for subjugating them.

Interesting, so a business must pay for an employees maternity leave in the UK?
 
Just for clarity's sake, how does your maternity benefit system work in the UK? Both my hubby and I run businesses and would never bear the burden of they payment of maternity benefits, it is part of the government programs attached to employment insurance.

My hubby has had many girls go on maternity and it has never caused financial hardship for his company. Is it really so diff in the UK?
 
lol
Some men definately need to be taught how to mow the lawn...
 
not me im a mowing master!

im not exactly sure how much the employer has to keep paying, i tihnk it depends on how long you have been at the company, but they do definately have to pay.
even though the development of humans owes alot to cooperation there was always a hierachy with the group. i agree bcullen that people are good at self governing, this isnt to do with government, but there will b individuals who always rise and lead the group. some people are naturally authoritative and some people will naturally obey. also you cannot be less or more equal, im saying that no-one is equal. people naturally order themsleves into a hierachy and subjugate themselves.
also leadership is not always done by example, it can also be done by coercion and by reward. to use a familiar example; my muay thai instructor uses all three forms of leadership, in the class he will show us(by example), we will repeat, if we fail there is the threat of coercion (whether real or not it is still there), if we do it right and perform well in class we are congratulated, asked to advance classes, or used in demonstrations(reward). there is a strong hierachy, with a strong leader in our group. a good teacher has a lot more to give than their experience; respect, humility, and friendship
 
I'm afraid that this post shows mainly that you don't understand what Socialism is and seem to be confusing it with an extreme form of Communism.

If you want to see good socialist leaders you could do worse than look up the example of Bevan, Wilson et al in UK politics. They certainly didn't seem to feel that they had been incapacitated by Socialism.

You seem to be in favour of competition. This is fine. Doesn't fair competition depend on a level playing field? This is all that Socialism seeks to create.

Cheers,

Matt.
 
RobP said:
"Saying that you shouldn't employ a woman just because at some point she might consider having a baby is crap."

But that's not what he said - he is saying that that is what goes on, because....

"small businesses might not beable to aford paying a staff member for a month or 2 off work but that doesn't mean that woman who can have children shouldn't be alowed the opertunity to work."

So what do we do with small businesses that can't afford ML? That is his question. [/QOUTE]

ok i'll let that good mainly because i didn't know the whole quote sorry but he could have made his comments less agressive

ianraisen -
"but u wouldnt get maternity pay if the business folded- which many small businesses do if they are forced to pay for years of maternity pay!"

i do honestly understand the problem with maternity leave costing that much, but i wouldn't expect to get it for years. If i wanted that long off work i would quit.
I can't say i know what to do about ML but if i was in a small business i would feel it necissary (sp) to point out how long they were able to have off before employing them at least then you have abit of a limit to stop your self from folding under the cost.
but hey what do i know i'm a biologist not a business person
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