Do you remember this line: "Yes there were jewish slave traders. And as a disproportionate part of the merchant class they were disproportionately involved compared to the population as a whole."
That was me. That was my original response to your "huge" numbers statement, a statement that you immediately backed off from. I never said otherwise. Of course you keep pretending that I am refuting jewish involvement to cover for your repeition of an anti-semetic canard.
And the only reason you backed off at all is because you got caught.
Going back to my original post, I said that you drag jews into topics, you filled in the term anti-semetic. Whether that is a sign of a guilty conscience or a misreading of my post, you tell me. I then asked you if I were mistaken. You never responded.
I am hoping from some cooperation from you on this as I still have not managed to go through your 10,000+ posts in the last 48 hours. So help a neighbor out, am I mistaken about you dragging jews into conversations where they don't belong?
[/QUOTE]Unless you can provide us with something to that effect or refute the historical info I've posted... there really isn't any more point in this convo. [/QUOTE]
Again see my quote above. Everything you have cited supports my statement that the jews were involved, but not hugely involved. A position that you only adopted after you were caught in a mistruth. Indeed I applaud your change of heart Unless of course you are using the above evidence to say that they were "hugely" involved.
However, you are correct about your citation to Tony Martin, you did not shirk your responsibility from citing to the author. My mistake, I was up later than normal. I am curious what you are doing using a source from a discredited anti-semite and (alleged) holocaust denier like Tony Martin. Why you would associate with his works is a question you can leave for yourself.
But then again, facts without context are worse than lies. The source in question has 15 ships listed as being owned by jews. Between 1700 and 1800, the city of Bristol had over 2000 slaving ships fitted out. That is one city alone. Now your numbers look pretty insignificant. The funny thing is that I am almost certain that Tony Martin is such a pathetic scholar that he completely blew the number of jewish owned ships by low balling them. Any respecable scholar could have found much more over the many centuries and ports involved in the atlantic slave trade, but your authority is too inept for that.
In a nut shell.
The problem is that the debate is not whether some jews were or were not involved in the slave trade. The debate is whether they were involved or were involved in huge numbers. The normal historians say that they were involved, the sleaze bags say they were involved in huge numbers. And that is the difference from my position and the one you took, then defended, then backed away from. So your use of the word "huge" is not a silly little modifier, its the difference between acceptable and garbage. In essence, you did a 180 and no amount of 20 point texting will change that, try typing in 32 next time if you want to convince me.
Between you and I, I would like to move on to other things. Please feel free to respond if you do not concur.