The American Infallibility Complex

Just bring me a crate of vanilla Coke and a bottle of Makers Mark 46 and I'm a pushover
 
had some of the 46 recently. was pretty good.

but i'm having a hard time leaving the templeton rye right now. america infallible? when it comes to rye whiskey, yes!
 
Not tired Templeton so thanks fornthe heads up on that. Had Buffalo Trace the other week - not a huge fan to be honest, but may need to give it another go. It was really hyped as well

Bulleit on the other hand is a real treat! Just finished a bottle over the weekend!
 
Well, those leaders had a right idea, but the liberal, over the top PC has gotten worse than their predicessors
 
What does PC mean to you? I think we defign it differently. I view PC as the attempt to not use inflamitory words such as racial slurs or sexist remarks.
 
This tells me you don't know liberalism is, or what pc is, other than what sensationalist media like to claim they are.
 
Bang on. It's about not imposing definitions and labels from outside a group but instead interacting with that group to arrive at mutually inclusive and acceptable language.
And I'm utterly baffled as to why peope don't agree with that goal.
 
I wonder if the Americans that are against being politically correct would mind me referring to them as "septics"?*

*It's Cockney rhyming slang. Septic Tank = Yank.
 
really? that interesting. is it because you want to call people and the liberal thought police don't allow you to?
 
For me, not at all. What other people think of me is none of my business.
 
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it's funny how they're pretty proud of being bootleggers during prohibition.
 
I don't think Martial mans remarks are because he wants to be able to call beople whatever he wants. It seems more that he is including other groups/arguments in the "PC umbrella". Us assuming he wants to be inflamitory is just as incorrect as him including other groups/views in the "PC" term. Both are based on assumptions that will not help anyone.
 
I stand corrected, if need be.

The problem with people from different cultural backgrunds, is their specific understandng/intepretation of certain terminology.

Take the 3 letter word/slang for cigarette in the UK, means something different in the U.S.
 
If not all homosexuals think its degoratory, is this PC, liberal, or justified?

I would think, degoratory is individual specific, not a entire group

How is it justified, that a group, call themselves/each other these demeaning terms, allow there associates outside of the group to also do so, why will it refelct the group as a whole?
 
to answer your question, think why is it ok for black people to use the n-word and not ok for white people to use it. when a black person says it, it means something totally different than when a white person says it.

to go back to the british slang for cigarette: fag. i've heard gay people call each other that. i've also heard straight people use it. big difference in the meaning between the two groups when they use it.

pc isn't about thought police. it's about respecting the other person or group.
 
Many people don't agree because that language is alien to them. It doesn't feel natural and being forced to speak in such a manner makes them feel uneasy. A lot of PC language is highly contextual to the point where it becomes devoid of any meaning at all without detailed knowledge of the particular situation it was being used in. This also makes people feel uneasy about the use of such language.

Take the term "personal space". It's fairly common PC jargon. It gets used all the time. However it can have some very serious connotations if used improperly.

For example: X invaded Y's personal space.

Without some fairly detailed knowledge of what I'm talking about. Many if not most people may begin to construct some very sinister scenarios around that sentence.

For me PC language is just jargon devoid of meaning. I'd much rather people spoke plainly and felt free to speak their minds.
 
For me, I'm against banning words and its all about intent. I've used the words fag or gay to describe something, and I've used the n word in my head now and again after spending an evening watching Katt Williams stuff. That doesn't automatically make me a homophobe or a racist. Using a certain word doesn't override all my much deeper beliefs about homosexuality or racism. In fact I argue that banning a word makes it far more powerful.

I think the PC approach to trying to stop people saying certain words is just a much, much simpler short term solution and it does make people think about the issue. Like if you tell everyone that they shouldn't say fag anymore they might disagree, but chances are it'll get them thinking about homosexuality. Although I've always thought of PC applying more to official things like government instutions or the media in which case it is just about respecting the fact that some people in a group might be cool with it, but others might be offended. The effects of offense, its subjectivity, and what sort of rights being offended grants you is a whole other issue but, again, its far easier to just tell people not to say it.
 
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