The real Elizabeth Bathory?

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sludgie

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Much as I really don't care for agreeing with VampireGirl on anything in this particular thread, have to point out that Henry began the Anglican church with his separation from our Roman Catholic one. That's kind of like saying Greek or Russian Orthodox are still Catholic.
 
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Ubr

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Catholic and Roman Catholic are not the same thing (hence the addition of the ROMAN bit) - Henry kept EVERYTHING except the Pope so he WAS still Catholic.

The Anglican church was Protestant under Edward (and technically Jane Grey) before Mary reinstated the Pope and began her purge. Elizabeth's ascension saw the reconciliation between the two sides and the formation of the Anglican church as we know it today
 
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Ml30

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Catholic and Roman Catholic aren't the same thing? Are you saying Anglican, Presbyterian, Orthodox, etc. are still Catholic as they don't fall under the definition of Protestants?

If you caught that mix up between the Mary's before SamW11, then my apoligies for not mentioning it before then. Just read Sam's post and it caught my attention.
 
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SuperR

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No they are technically not the same - reread the very brief breakdown of what I put with the Tudor succession

Beliefs (transubstantiation etc) were identical EXCEPT Henry put himself as supreme on matters of religion in England as opposed to the Pope. Protestants faced just as much grief from Henry as from the Pope. Meet the new boss same as the old boss
 
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wolfeex

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cath·o·lic(kth-lk, kthlk)
adj. 1. Of broad or liberal scope; comprehensive: "The 100-odd pages of formulas and constants are surely the most catholic to be found" (Scientific American).
2. Including or concerning all humankind; universal: "what was of catholic rather than national interest" (J.A. Froude).
3. Catholic a. Of or involving the Roman Catholic Church.
b. Of or relating to the universal Christian church.
c. Of or relating to the ancient undivided Christian church.
d. Of or relating to those churches that have claimed to be representatives of the ancient undivided church.


n. Catholic A member of a Catholic church, especially a Roman Catholic.

So yes, the Anglican Church is technically still a catholic church.

Or, arguably, there is no more catholic church due to the divisions that have occurred.
 
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Kerpal

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Yeah, this is a point many people get confused on. Henry didn't start a new church, he declared himself the head of the Catholic church of England. Beyond a new belief in Sola Scriptura he wasn't really a protestant, he was a progressive Catholic. Indeed, if it wasn't for the King of Spain invading Rome and taking the Pope hostage, the issue of Henry's divorce would probably have been smoothed over and ultimately the protestant movement would have been reintegrated into a reformed Roman Catholic church.
The Anglican church as we know it today is an entirely Elizabethan invention.
 
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