Things that make you go GRRRRR.... (Part 2)

By "give yourself permission," I just wondered if you have a subconscious thing that connects adrenaline dump with losing control in this way, hence setting up a behaviour pattern?

I seriously think you should talk to your GP if adrenaline dump affects you in this way as it's way out of the normal spectrum of reactions.

Mitch
 
I think it's the fact that it's just hard to think when you're dumping adrenaline that heavily.

Well I don't go around putting people in submission holds every time my adrenaline is high, lol. I just got overwhelmed by 2 people unloading on me...

Next session I'm gonna ask to do just half speed sparring with very light contact to build up slowly and remain lucid rather than getting cranked up to 11 and losing half my sensory function... Sucks, but I don't want to end up hurting anyone...
 
And that time when sparring recently. You can lower the intensity to avoid the problem, but that's not addressing the problem it's avoiding it. If it's an issue why not deal with it? Just my thoughts anyway

Mitch
 
I don't think it's avoiding a problem. The problem is that I have a disproportionate reaction to a reasonably safe situation. Isn't the appropriate response to build up acclimatization to intense sparring slowly, so it will be a normal comfortable thing to do rather than one that kicks you up into 'ohcrapOHCRAPFIGHTFLIGHTDESTROY' mode?
 
No, the problem is that you have a disproportionate reaction to the adrenaline dump. Everyon has adrenaline dumps, sometimes very strong, sometimes less so. Nobody I have ever trained with reacts to that adrenaline in the way you do.

Mitch
 
Is it that rare? Lots of people I trained with were very aggressive or sometimes uncontrolled when sparring....Also I've read that adrenaline will reinforce whatever your initial reaction is, so if it's to fight, it will make you reflexively fight harder, or if it's to hesitate, it will make you lock up completely.

Besides, most people don't have such an extreme reaction. Neon vision, white heat, hyperventilation etc? Does this honestly happen to 'everyone'?
 
I think being unable to stop yourself from attacking a sparring partner is very rare yes.

Mitch
 
Not that rare. I've seen other people in my class over-concentrate and keep going when told to break, presumably because their brain prioritizes avoiding being punched in the face over obeying a verbal coofftopicnd.
 
There is a major difference between being very focused on what you're doing so not hearing what is going on around you and losing control to the extent that you hurt yourself or a sparring partner.
 
I'm now kind of worried at the difference between the reactions of people on here and the people I train with.

Everyone just laughed about it, including my instructor. I was talking to him afterwards and he just mimed my pulling guard and laughed...

Do you think that's an inappropriate/unsafe ethos?
 
That bit is NOT good. It's not your actions per se but the not being able to stop bit.
This one time...no harm done. Next time...who knows.

And shame on you for pulling guard and taking it to the ground in a multiple attacker scenario...has MAP taught you nothing young lady!?!?
You do NOT ground fight with multiple attackers!
 
Yep, which is why I've asked to dial it right down to work on technique and remaining calm.

Just out of curiosity, how intense is an 'appropriate' adrenaline dump? Faster heart rate? Neon vision? Hyperventilation? Those things are normal?
 
I don't think there's such a thing as an appropriate adrenal dump.
It is what it is. Perhaps you get it worse than others?
When I "dump" I go icey cold, narrow field of vision and very quiet. More freeze than fight or flight I suppose.
So when I dump I have to get over it and get physical rather than stop myself.
I tend to start analysing what's going on rather than "going for it".

I think the problem is dumping hard at low stimulus and then not coming out of that dump when it's all over.
I'm no expert but I'd say the only way round that would be more drilling with people that don't mind the risk of training with someone that might be ripping their arm off even though they are tapping.
And from the sounds of it your club might be like that.
 
Yeah I probably do. No one else broke out hyperventilating or suffered loss of normal vision.

When I get it I feel this sensation of extreme heat about mid-back that radiates along with my pulse. I lose a lot of sensory input, hearing and peripheral vision mostly.

It's interesting that you mentioned tapping and ripping arms off I didn't have that problem when I did judo. It was just much less overwhelming than doing a striking style. I think the difference is that striking is a lot about speed and having to react *now*, grappling is much more tactical and involves a lot of focus on positioning. Plus when I was cranking a submission hold I was constantly watching out for a tap. I miss it...there's currently no grappling styles where I am...I think I'd do a lot better in a style that doesn't involve that kind of 'rapid fire' awareness...
 
A very close friend of mine (she gave me my username) died after a long battle against reoccurring breast cancer
 
I'm sorry FRodo.

*Hugs*

sorry for your loss

btw what made me go tonight

Bladey.......is not a happy panda. Hated my performance in karate tonight, even though i wasnt feeling well and had a headache tonight and have the balance problem i was born with i still hated doing 2 bad katas in front of everybody.
 
I'm sorry to hear that

It's something I know so little about. In the absence of medical checks I'd like to think I would know if there was something there to worry about. At work there's someone on my team just gone through the treatment and she' 6 years younger than me.
 
It's quite scary actually, there's a group of 8 of us that have known each other for around 10 years and out of that group, 1 guy died of lung cancer 3 years ago and of the rest (who are all female), 3 of them have recovered from breast cancer. Recovered means 5 years or more symptom free. This friend unfortunately relapsed about 1.5 years ago and the cancer spread to her lungs and liver. All 3 of the breast cancer suffers are around 10 or more years older than me.
 
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