Transgender Girl Scouts... wait what?!

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CassandraA

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Wait what? He's a boy and half way through they start referring to him as a 'girl'. huh?




Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/28/transgender-youth-brings-to-light-policies-within-girl-scouts/?test=latestnews#ixzz1c8vNPZ2d
 
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LiLNickumz

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This should be an interesting story of the good of the one vs. the good of the many. It's a good point about asking all the girls in a troop to ignore the boy's anatomical differences and accept him as a girl. Maybe a transgender movement going too fast and too far. Plus, Boy and Girl Scouts are usually housed in Christian facilities, are they not? That adds a whole other dimension for a child's brain to have to deal with.
 
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ayedun

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I could be wrong here... but I'm guessing this little boy was raised without a father figure present in the home and raised primarily by his sister and his mother. Just a shot in the dark but I'm guessing the gender issues came in there... but who knows.
 
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MikieLikesItt

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Surely the parent(s) should have taken the little boy (who is anatomically still clearly a little boy) to the Cub Scouts or Boy Scouts. This on the face of it seems like lazy parenting. A picture of the little boy shows him with hair and dressed like a girl. Hmm... seems to me this is a parenting issue at its core.
 
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nuswimguy

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Yeah, there's something going on on the parents' side. I will say, though, that when I was growing up, there were a couple of boys that were always presented as boys but who had feminine features and acted very girly. The girls were very wary of them because they didn't know what to make of it and they weren't interested in possibly inviting a fox into the henhouse. Trying to force that on young girls is too much, in my opinion.

Like you said, focus on the parents on this one and see what turns up.
 
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Jake1

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huh interesting. In terms of facial features. Seems to me that most little kids are more less similar... prior to hitting puberty they are all more or less in a similar range. The soft faces of kids at that point. With the onset of puberty you start to see the features that define them much more clearly as male and female... eg. the jaw, the nose the brow. After all when most babies are born if a person doesn't know if they are boy or girl by being told they have no idea. Structures in the face generally haven't formed enough to tell... in most case young kids without the telltale sign of boys/girls haircuts/fashion. But if you take away the haircut and the clothes many little kids look more or less the same in terms of facial features.

Which makes me wonder why the parents of that kid would allow the little boy to dress as a little girl. Not entirely sure the example matches up... but here goes:


As a kid I had to go to church every day. I went to a Catholic school after all - so church is NOT an option. Oh joy. Not even that my parents were overly religious but the reason behind us going to a Catholic school was because the education was so much better than the public schools in our area. So it was always some insane hour to be getting up and getting ready for church. And you'd think the day of our Lord's rest ... Sunday we'd get to chill... but no... we STILL had to get up and go to church. Ugh... so I must have been about 6 or 7 years old... I chucked on mustard yellow and green stripe plaid pants with a white plastic belt and ribbed blue and read turtle neck and then also decided I'd look snazzy if I braces and this massive bit medallion on a chain of some Roman god (how I even got that I'll never know). And black patent leather shoes that parents seem to think are a good ideas for kids. I proudly came marching out... ready for church... hair parted... in my best fashion sense...

KERRRRRSLAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!

My first fashionable appearance and I walked right into my moms best backhand!!! Ouch.

"What's wrong with you!! Do you think this is a circus??!! You can dress like a clown to go to church!?"

ahahahhahah... I can laugh now thinking about it... but as a kid I was bummed not to mention a bit daze from the big old stinging slap I'd gotten! Red hand print on my face now heating up! How could they not see that what I was wearing was so cool. All the mix of colors and patterns and topped off by this awesome medallion! I sported bling before it was even gangster popular!

But it was not to be. No way in hell my parents were going to let their kid out of the house looking lime some sort of retarded clown. They layed down the law and that was that.


Soooooooooooooooooooo....... it sounds to me on the face of it... this kids parents are lazy (actually I suspect he's being raised by his kid sister and sometimes the mom). They simply don't want to lay down any laws. Sure son grow you hair long... wear little girls clothes instead of little boys clothes. To me this is going down the slippery slope of bad parenting.

Yes I'm full aware this will now bring the wraith of the I'm-so-punkrock-I-won't-accept-any-parental-rules crowd here at MAP. Bring it on teenagers!
 
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lazyhazycrazydays3

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Wait, is this a transgender boy wanting to join girl scouts or is this a boy wanting to go with his sister to girl scouts.

Also, Slip, you just posted an article citing a guy who has said that parents shouldn't allow their children to watch Dancing with the Stars because they might catch transgenderitis from Chaz Bono.
 
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bottersnike_lisa

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Well the article is up there. You read it. What did you get out of it?

To me it appeared it's a 7 year old boy who wanted to go to girlscouts with his bigger sister. But as soon as they mention that the word transgender pops up. Obviously the boy hasn't had a sex change so it can be that.

It seems this is down to the parent (so far it's a single parent according to the article...) presenting the child as 'transgender'. But it's all rather ambiguous... perhaps GSA jumped in and made it a transgender issue to be PC up front? I dunno.



Wah? Where is that?
 
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CAMUS

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Sorry, sorry, I didn't mean to imply you posted an article that included those comments. Keith Ablow made those comments on Fox News a few weeks ago during an unrelated story, his name just raised a flag when I read the article.
 
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XoX

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Interesting points on the facial features. Very true and spoken like an artist. That's an interesting angle on the boy possibly being very attached to his sister. If no one is saying "Hey, boys in boys clothes only, little dude.", then a child wouldn't necessarily think anything of it. If he's really attached to his sister, he could easily just be fitting into her world because he loves and respects her.

But there are some parents out there who use things like MA, Boy/Girl Scouts, malls, movie theaters, etc., as cheap daycare so they can have their own lives and time to themselves. I have to wonder if this mom isn't one of those. It'd make sense. She might just want to drop both kids off for the same activity, at the same time, and be the type of person who won't accept "No" for an answer.

Kind of reminds me of the anti-Harry Potter moms brigade mentality.
 
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iggybott

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IMO, if the parents are actually sure the issue is not just a phase the kid is going through I fail to see how they are doing anything wrong by letting him live as a girl. I can't exactly make a judgement just from the content in this article so I'll refrain from forming an opinion just yet. It could be a phase or it could be he is genuinely transgender. I'd have to give them the benefit of the doubt though that they didn't just indulge him because one day he got up and decided on the turn of a dime that being a girl sounded cool.

Now, if he genuinely is transgender? I support this for sure. In all honesty I'd admire them for not bowing to irrational social norms. There is no real reason for boys to have to have short hair and functional clothes and girls to have to have long hair and wear pink. There's no real need for the roles. Not so long ago in history it was the other way around. Blue was a female color because it was 'calm' and pink was a male color because it was a diluted red.

http://minibeanie.blogspot.com/2008/08/pink-is-for-boys.html
http://history.verdeserve.com/pink-wasnt-always-considered-a-feminine-color-and-blue-wasnt-always-masculine/



That would be aimed at Southpaw and myself I guess.

You mentioned punk rock and being rebellious, not me. I don't aspire to be rebellious. Rebellion as most people think of it is simply being an idiot just because, not overturning or changing anything. I do have a few mods (small discreet labret, nose ring, nothing major) which my mom has never had a problem with. Her view was so long as you are responsible about safety then it's your choice if you get metal. Which I am grateful for and if I'm honest it's part of why I respect her. When I was growing up she made rules for good reasons, not because she felt she owned me. I also contribute to the housekeeping and help care for my severely disabled younger brother so it would be kind of nice if you'd can the 'punk rock brat' ad hominem.

Oh and I'm 21, and in my case it's death metal not punk rock (sorry, couldn't resist) .
 
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inter13

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I don't have my feathers ruffled, Slip.

I simply note that it's fairly disingenuous to respond to myself and Southpaw's making points in a calm neutral tone by labelling us wannabe punk rock brats. Unless this comment was entirely unrelated to the TMI thread.
 
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