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FriendlyFairGirl

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Let's not give up on them my friend, we need to all step back and get our own houses in order then we can help those who need assistance. As I see it we need to put our money where our mouth is. If we're going to continue to send dollars into the ME then we have a moral obligation to the citizens of the U.S. and of the ME to make sure the aid is going to a broad base. Building schools, infrastructure, and businesses should be the focus.

We need to get unilateral cooperation to end terrorism and help rebuild relationships. Soft handedness from Western Europe has hurt the fight to end terrorism. There are many in the ME that would embrace those types of policies. They should be our focus.
 
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kylelambert

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Forgiveness is the key...forgiveness and time. Look at America and Japan if we can come through that and have the relations we do today then anything is possible.
 
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FannyMcfeet

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THIS! This is such a huge fundamental concept in Islam yet so widely ignored. People are so quick to blame others yet we can't even fix our own homes let alone our own communities. I mean, hell, we should all be revolting against the freaking Saudi government if anything.

I applaud you for your post! (well, bow)
 
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Izzydawizzy

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Japan and America patched things up because of the economic growth from rebuilding Japan. The Americans also saw Japan as an ally in the coming fight against Communism. It wasn't as if they suddenly decided to have a campfire and sing kumbaya.
 
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Saverain

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France, Germany and especially Spain, in so far as to say that they have soften their support for the USA's activity in the ME, and are reluctant to publicly state that terrorist are the enemy of the west. They are even reluctant to say the word "terrorist".

Or am I missing something?
 
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Wudbiser

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When we entered Afghanistan the Taliban were the government. We ousted them and put a puppet in place. Or have you forgotten?

The Taliban didn't exactly call up Tory Blair and say "Hey man why don't you Brits come on over for some fun fisty cuffs and surprise IEDs"?

We invaded. We set about installing the type of government we prescribed. Pure and simple.
 
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irule8883

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There is a difference between Invasion and occupation, the current Afghan government, the one who was elected.


You honestly going to stand here and tell us all that the Taliban government was good for Afghani's.

No Poll, by RT or by CCNN, or any other outside news agency suggests that the Afghani people prefered the Taliban,
but off course you will say all poll's are rigged.

Your so keen to criticize efforts made by others, and always try to take the moral high ground.

"The anti war mantra was: "Afghanistan, where the world's richest country rains bombs on the world's poorest country." Poor fools. They should never have tried to beat me at this game. What about, "Afghanistan, where the world's most open society confronts the world's most closed one"? "Where American women pilots kill the men who enslave women." "Where the world's most indiscriminate bombers are bombed by the world's most accurate ones." "Where the largest number of poor people applaud the bombing of their own regime." I could go on. (I think No. 4 may need a little work.) But there are some suggested contrasts for the "doves" to paste into their scrapbook. Incidentally, when they look at their scrapbooks they will be able to reread themselves saying things like, "The bombing of Kosovo is driving the Serbs into the arms of Milosevic."





Raz
 
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bourbonixecom

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You mean the government that was elected after we vetted all the candidates and still managed to attract controversy over rigged votes? Which come to think of it is what we did in Iraq. Look where that's got us.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/21/iraq-rejects-us-plea-bases

In Iraq we went from searching for WMD, to freeing the people, to bringing Saddam to justice and promising to leave Iraq to trying to establish a permanent base on Iraqi soil.

It's a damn thin line between invasion and occupation.
 
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Evan

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The single biggest issue that we Americans face in Afghanistan is that the Afghan people want to maintain a country whose culture is at odds with our own.

For Americans, we laid to rest the possibility of Judeo-Christian Theocracy by forever separating the Influences between Church and State. The Afghans, like the Tibetans have never completely committed to that sort of Secular approach to government.

In like manner, and as reprehensible as it might be to our Western culture, certain aspects of Afghan culture are entrenched in that nation. We may not agree with arranged marriage, women as second-class citizens, and a strictly Patrilinear approach to property inheritance, but thatws how those people have chosen to live.

Lastly, I take exception to the idea that we are bringing the Afghans "Democracy" as they have had both a Legal system AND elected officials for generations. The Government Council (A. "Loya Juerga") was counsel to the afghan king and was the first institution that the current president called for input to the new government. And as far as laws go, we Westerners may take issue with Muslim Law, but must remember how heavily our OWN law was shaped by Judaism and Christianity. I think we need to practice-up on our Tolerance and Acceptance.

Best Wishes,

Bruce
 
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poetica

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Controversy and specualtion are not evidence.

Call it what you want, and yes it is a thin line, we are not there for the good of the people that was never our primary stated objective.

Its a side effect, and again you have not shown evidence that the people of either Iraq or Afghanistan were happier under there former regimes, and I doubt you will.

It was never just for the WMD, that was one of the reasons not the main one,though I must concede it was the one sold to the public.

There has been talk of finishing Iraq for years well before 9/11. A minor detail people seem so keen to over look.
View the speeches of Tony Blair in 1999, or those of B Clinton-not my favourite guy by any means.

Raz
 
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Emmanueli

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The UK and US claim to respect and uphold international law. Which basically says you can't go around just declaring war on other countries for no good reason and certainly not for regime change.
 
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Icomeinpeace

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See your a pro at these one liners.
You neglected your initial point, you were saying that we never went in for the good of the people which has been your main thread all the way through this conversation.

But you still will not show any evidence that the people are less happy now than before, or they want to go back under there previous regimes.

Sadly the world doesn't work how you would want it to, and instead of arguing semantics about what should of happened. Its better to realise the actuallaty of the fact and get on with it:
Humans are violent, humans are tribal. We are also a great many things, but to insist that we can just somehow brush past this primitive behavour is frivolous.

Raz
 
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jpod523

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http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/afp/violence-flares-as-pakistan-protests-anti-islam-film/545707

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/pakistan-blocks-cell-phone-service-to-avoid-attacks-during-protests-against-anti-islam-film/2012/09/21/6be96702-03b4-11e2-9132-f2750cd65f97_story.html

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/national/21-Sep-2012/film-protests-take-islamabad-by-storm

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-09-21/pakistan-tv-airs-obama-ad-denouncing-anti-islam-video

so. Pakistan kept a nation wide holiday to hold peacefull protest against that video.

needless to say the peace didn't last long.

By the way. youtube is blocked in pakistan because of the video.

Cellphone service has been shut down nation wide.

The walls of the US embassy in Lahore have been breached.
 
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myfriendscallmepowder

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Smh.... I saw that on CNN while leaving work yesterday evening. I literally just started shaking my head and walked away after less than 30 seconds.

I'm kind of surprised the Pakistanis among all the others waited that long to protest lol.

I just don't get why people are so pissed off. It's not like the American government was at fault this time.
 
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Suberov

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Pretty much all the reasons already discussed in this thread -_-
This sort of mentality is DEEPLY ingrained in Pakistan. And its not going away anytime soon.
 
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