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I'm trying to read what you're saying, but my eyes keep getting pulled to that giraffe's tongue.
Viewer Disrection! Animal Cruelty From Farm To Fridge
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heartshapedbox
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Do you reallly think animals don't feel fear or pain? Have an ingrained survival mode? Have some type of emotions?
Gads, there have been studies that suggest that even plants feel fear and have an awareness of injury pain being inflicted.
Gads, there have been studies that suggest that even plants feel fear and have an awareness of injury pain being inflicted.
JonasObsessedt
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Utter nonsense. You don't eradicate millions of years of evolution in a generation of factory farming. You really need to think before posting this tissue thin idiocy, you're making yourself look foolish now.
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willsi_1989
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Speaking of "Utter Nonsense". Many times, I have been to a beef slaughter. They are lead down a chute with no fear. All they do is follow the one in front. There isn't a fear of dying
You really have no idea what you are blathering about do you. Let me guess, you asked the cows if they were stressed and because they didn't say 'yes' you assumed they were fine? They may not be aware they are going to die, but there is a large body of research that shows animals going to slaughter experience stress - raised cortisol level, heart rate and other physiological indicators of stress. Frankly the level of ignorance and stupidity you are exhibiting in this thread regarding the welfare of animals bred for food is outstanding and disgusting.
Research? Done by whom? Animal rights people like PETA? Cattle is slightly stressed when we round them up. Cattle are more stressed when we stockade them for their meds/injections (with the family cattle, a consistant 300+ head annually-none are given 'roids) Cattle is not stressed going down the slaughter chute. By that time they are calm. If done correctly, a slaughtered animal feels no pain. Now, a hunted animal is slightly different. They are in stress, but some say when a deer is shot, so much adrenaline and shock courses through, they don't feel pain until they finally collapse
I am not into the rights of animals bred for food. As I eat a burger, chicken, or salad (plants with fear), I care not for their previous being. (other than they were absent of disease) They existed for me to consume.
I am not into the rights of animals bred for food. As I eat a burger, chicken, or salad (plants with fear), I care not for their previous being. (other than they were absent of disease) They existed for me to consume.
I am sorry, but I missed the part where you cited references and sources for your claims.
Particularly, please provide your source for the claim that they have had survival instinct and fear bred out of them.
As for the plants having potential reactions that could be equated to fear. Do a google search and you will find the sources of studies that have been done. They are certainly not conclusive, but there is some scientific evidence that it is possible. Unlike you, I merely cited a possiblity based on studes. I did not claim I knew definitively. If you need me to provide a google search for you, I can do so.
Googling slaughterhouses shows that they do indeed have to use methods to reduce fear and pain- contrary to your claims that such emotions have been bread out of domesticated animals. If animals didn't feel fear, there would be no need for the commonly used stunning and other things used in slaughterhouses. Of course I am not referring to PETA sources. they are incredibly biased and have an extreme agenda.
Again, I seriously doubt if your claims were true, that meat companies would pay for the work of people like Temple Grandin.
http://www.grandin.com/references/humane.slaughter.html
I am a meat eater. To live, one must eat other things that were previously living. This is the cycle of life. I don't have a vegetarian agenda here. But your claims are ridiculous and even the meat production industry is concerned with issues you claim don't exist.
Particularly, please provide your source for the claim that they have had survival instinct and fear bred out of them.
As for the plants having potential reactions that could be equated to fear. Do a google search and you will find the sources of studies that have been done. They are certainly not conclusive, but there is some scientific evidence that it is possible. Unlike you, I merely cited a possiblity based on studes. I did not claim I knew definitively. If you need me to provide a google search for you, I can do so.
Googling slaughterhouses shows that they do indeed have to use methods to reduce fear and pain- contrary to your claims that such emotions have been bread out of domesticated animals. If animals didn't feel fear, there would be no need for the commonly used stunning and other things used in slaughterhouses. Of course I am not referring to PETA sources. they are incredibly biased and have an extreme agenda.
Again, I seriously doubt if your claims were true, that meat companies would pay for the work of people like Temple Grandin.
http://www.grandin.com/references/humane.slaughter.html
I am a meat eater. To live, one must eat other things that were previously living. This is the cycle of life. I don't have a vegetarian agenda here. But your claims are ridiculous and even the meat production industry is concerned with issues you claim don't exist.
Could be equated is a overstatement. Google can turn up pros/cons, add credence to almost any side of a position
I am not making claims. I am giving my opinion based upon exposure. Coming from a farming background, I have seen these things. That said, my farming relatives did not look upon "mistreating animals" in any sense other that they were bred for food. In other words, livestock had to have care, meds, food, water, shelter, they had to be kept alive and healthy, not for personal sympathy, but for profit. All the time knowing, the animals will be slaughtered. Humane slaughtering is almost a oxymoron
Maybe, I have become desensitized. Or maybe people desire such labels as free range, organics, etc., to "clear their conscious".
Sometimes, people having such videos usually have a agenda for people to stop eating meat.
It doesn't matter to me, I will eat as I always have.
I am not making claims. I am giving my opinion based upon exposure. Coming from a farming background, I have seen these things. That said, my farming relatives did not look upon "mistreating animals" in any sense other that they were bred for food. In other words, livestock had to have care, meds, food, water, shelter, they had to be kept alive and healthy, not for personal sympathy, but for profit. All the time knowing, the animals will be slaughtered. Humane slaughtering is almost a oxymoron
Maybe, I have become desensitized. Or maybe people desire such labels as free range, organics, etc., to "clear their conscious".
Sometimes, people having such videos usually have a agenda for people to stop eating meat.
It doesn't matter to me, I will eat as I always have.
Well, below is your quote in a previous post. Sure sounds like a definitive claim to me. Glad to see you are backing off of that claim since........
................you now admit you have nothing but your personal opinion to back up the claim above. Not one source to cite, right? Just so we are clear?
I see you don't care to address the article I linked that discusses things like animals backing up away from slaughter in poorly designed chutes, the need to stun an animal, etc. All stuff that suggests your original claim is simply not backed up by studies.
Causing unecessary suffering in an animal about to be killed for food is what people are referring to as inhumane. I think the link I provided talks about hanging living animals by one leg before killing because it is efficient and cheap. However, it does not take the animals stress or physical discomfort into consideration. This would be one example of choosing more humane methods over ones less so. No, it is not an oxymoron or even close to it.
................you now admit you have nothing but your personal opinion to back up the claim above. Not one source to cite, right? Just so we are clear?
I see you don't care to address the article I linked that discusses things like animals backing up away from slaughter in poorly designed chutes, the need to stun an animal, etc. All stuff that suggests your original claim is simply not backed up by studies.
Causing unecessary suffering in an animal about to be killed for food is what people are referring to as inhumane. I think the link I provided talks about hanging living animals by one leg before killing because it is efficient and cheap. However, it does not take the animals stress or physical discomfort into consideration. This would be one example of choosing more humane methods over ones less so. No, it is not an oxymoron or even close to it.
No, because no definitive claim was made besides some studies suggest it is possible.
Do you not understand the difference between citing a possiblity and stating something as a fact?
And as controversial as the science is behind plant "emotions", there is still more science behind it than your claim that survival instinct and fear have been bred out of domesticated animals.
Do you not understand the difference between citing a possiblity and stating something as a fact?
And as controversial as the science is behind plant "emotions", there is still more science behind it than your claim that survival instinct and fear have been bred out of domesticated animals.
prankstar25
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Animals trying to back up the chute, isn't from fear as it can be from not wanting to be so closely confined. There is no fear from it about to be slain. There is no survival instinct. A cow in the field does not have survival instinct likewise of a deer. A pig on a farm does not have survival instinct likewise of a wild hog. Therefore, such instinct is suppressed. This is not to state, that such animals raised on a farm, will never have discomfort upon being rounded up and slaughtered
I never said that a animal getting ready for slaughtered will not have any discomfort.
Humane slaughtering. To some animal activists, what could be humane slaughter of a animal?
Choosing a more humane method, does not lend to a slaughter being less vindictive of the animal must be slain to eat
A interesting link I had found;
http://www.greanvillepost.com/2013/07/05/are-images-of-animal-slaughter-effective-deterrents-in-meat-consumption/
I never said that a animal getting ready for slaughtered will not have any discomfort.
Humane slaughtering. To some animal activists, what could be humane slaughter of a animal?
Choosing a more humane method, does not lend to a slaughter being less vindictive of the animal must be slain to eat
A interesting link I had found;
http://www.greanvillepost.com/2013/07/05/are-images-of-animal-slaughter-effective-deterrents-in-meat-consumption/
ChubbyDtRAWt
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I thought you said you weren't making any claims.
Again, one last time, please provide SOME sort of evidence besides your personal opinion, to back up this claim.
Again, one last time, please provide SOME sort of evidence besides your personal opinion, to back up this claim.
Handsomestranger
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Because a cow/pig in the field doesnt run away because of the instinct to survive like its wild counterparts....
I dismiss any refute you are making
Animals are here to eat. The choice to eat beset by "conscious" is up to the individual
I dismiss any refute you are making
Animals are here to eat. The choice to eat beset by "conscious" is up to the individual
misssurfusa
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Again, based on?????? (Just your personal observations on your farm again?)
If it isn't running away from fear or survival instinct, pray tell, why is it running? Why bother running if it isn't fearful?
Until you can provide some sort of evidence for your various claims, all you are doing is making yourself look foolish.
I can only ask for this so many times. I think I have hit that limit. I'll be on the lookout if you post something with substance to back anything you say up.
And I am not arguing to be vegetarian. I have already stated I am not one.
If it isn't running away from fear or survival instinct, pray tell, why is it running? Why bother running if it isn't fearful?
Until you can provide some sort of evidence for your various claims, all you are doing is making yourself look foolish.
I can only ask for this so many times. I think I have hit that limit. I'll be on the lookout if you post something with substance to back anything you say up.
And I am not arguing to be vegetarian. I have already stated I am not one.
stargirle4ever
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As I can only reiterate; as if to take it that you do not know;
Animals trying to back up the chute, isn't from fear as it can be from not wanting to be so closely confined. There is no fear from it about to be slain. There is no survival instinct. A cow in the field does not have survival instinct likewise of a deer. A pig on a farm does not have survival instinct likewise of a wild hog. Therefore, such instinct is suppressed. This is not to state, that such animals raised on a farm, will never have discomfort upon being rounded up and slaughtered
I also, with utmost sincerity, on the lookout if you post something with substance what I have come to know
Animals trying to back up the chute, isn't from fear as it can be from not wanting to be so closely confined. There is no fear from it about to be slain. There is no survival instinct. A cow in the field does not have survival instinct likewise of a deer. A pig on a farm does not have survival instinct likewise of a wild hog. Therefore, such instinct is suppressed. This is not to state, that such animals raised on a farm, will never have discomfort upon being rounded up and slaughtered
I also, with utmost sincerity, on the lookout if you post something with substance what I have come to know
DEMOLITIONKJORS
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There are countless studies that show animals suffer stress during the slaughter process (and that the stress can, potentially, affect the meat quality). A quick google brings up loads of studies (http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=stress+in+animals+slaughter&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ei=hjVuUpzALOrH0QX1g4HACg&ved=0CC4QgQMwAA) but then I'm sure you'll just dismiss them as irrelevant 'geek' studies because your cows have never actually told you they are stressed. The fact that they don't want to be confined is a survival instinct - they are reacting to being trapped in an enclosed area, which probably evolved from them not wanting to be trapped in such a space by predators.
I have no problem with raising animals for food and eating them, but am also able to acknowledge that there are times in that process when the animal will be subjected to stress and probably fear. I also like to know that these are minimised as much as is possible. Yes, animals raised in captivity generally don't have the same level of fear of humans as their wild counterparts, but that doesn't mean that they have no survival instincts and that they don't get stressed during the slaughter process.
If you wish to believe there is no stress suffered by the animals that you are going to eat in order to feel better about eating them, that that is your right. However your arguments about the behaviour and reactions of modern domesticated species are completely out of touch with the reality of the situation.
I have no problem with raising animals for food and eating them, but am also able to acknowledge that there are times in that process when the animal will be subjected to stress and probably fear. I also like to know that these are minimised as much as is possible. Yes, animals raised in captivity generally don't have the same level of fear of humans as their wild counterparts, but that doesn't mean that they have no survival instincts and that they don't get stressed during the slaughter process.
If you wish to believe there is no stress suffered by the animals that you are going to eat in order to feel better about eating them, that that is your right. However your arguments about the behaviour and reactions of modern domesticated species are completely out of touch with the reality of the situation.