whats wrong with America?

But he has a point too. Many American policies are "stacked" against white males. Minorities have better scholarship opportunities, better welfare programs, tax breaks, etc . . . .

There are reasons those things are in place. Doesn't necessarily make it fair though.

I've got a buddy who is pretty well flat out broke - raising a family of 5 on 12 bucks an hour or so. He tried to get government assistance and ended up with 40 bucks a month - enough for a single tank of gas. He qualified for jack because he was white and lived with his wife and kids.

The government hands out a fixed dollar amount of contracts to government contractors, and a certain percentage of that dollar amount goes to minority or women-run companies or individuals.
 
I agree with stevebjj on this the I think the notion that white Americans don't get as much slack from the government is akin to the notion here that in the UK immigrants are given more from the welfare state. Everyone has their horror stories- if you're in the UK you can read the Sun and see them- but the point is that when you look at the overall picture the groups that are most strongly marginalised and face the most discrimination are clearly not the dominant majority group. Some policies maybe unfair but at the same time I think coming to the conclusion that White people in America/UK are overall working against oppressive conditions that minorities don't face is a bit unrealistic.
 
WOW i should educate my self just because i didint know canada was in a little debt compared to usa?...We never hear of financial probems due to debt in canada so obvisly i wouldent know much on it. If im suppose to educate my self just because i dont know of small debt then what do these people have to do??

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE
 
I strongly suspect that you could be on one of those clips so I wouldn't knock those people that much.

Interviewer: What language do people speak in the UK?
XT18: ........... UKish?
Interviewer: What country is Belfast the capital of?
XT18: ........... London?
Interviwer: What Jewish religion's central texts are the Torah?
XT18: ........... Islam?

Not to mention... yes if you want to argue about American debt and use Canada as a counter example most people probably would check if Canada was in debt.
 
Ya compare the debt of canada to usa go ahead people will laugh at your numbers(700 billion and going lower vs 9+ trillion and going higher o ya canada is so much in debt its all over the news so everyone knows how badly in debt canada is.... ). Why do you come into my threads? I get them going good and you have to come in and try to attack me...get over your self..How could i be in that video when i dont even live in usa....i dont knock them but come on look what their education system do to alot of america...There is of course smart people in usa no doubt but im talking about the general younger generation that many dont even end up graduating...And the people in that video range from 20-60 years old and they dont even seem to be educated... and people knock me for being young and not knowing much....if im so stupid what are the people on the video according to you.
 
dude... get your threads going good?
You've been lambasted at every turn by logic and reason. Just about everyone has chimed in to show why your theories hold no water. None. Not a single drop. You don't cite your sources... and when you do you cite rubbish sites from the net. You spend so much time jumping to absurd conclusions that I seriously understand why your English is as poor as your ability to construct a coherent argument.

Seriously...are you just a glutton for punishment? You've done nothing but embarrass yourself in most of your threads and posts. People have tried everything to show you the way from being kind and civil about it... to be flame roasting your clown ass. But you just keep ducking your head in the sand and babbling on like a lune.

Think of your mother. Have some mercy on her... if she knew her son was posting the crap you do... and taking the hiding at every turn like you are... how is she going to feel? Seriously.
 
Righttt.... i emberassed my self for connecting different religious systems and civilizations in what COULD happen in the future based on their belifs that point to a similar outcome around same time?? Ya im really stupid...Im also so stupid to you that according to you and cklava im also wrong on this topic here....right?

Also why do you care about my mom or my dad so much why are you so attracted to my parents??Its not the first time you asking about them maybe you can come down and meet them one day?
 
And you couldn't be anymore wrong even if you tried.
Just because you are a white guy in a federal position and graduated from a predominately black school (as I did) does not mean that what I have stated is any less the truth.
And if it was the case; why are you being PRESSURED to hire "diverse" applicants when QULIFICATIONS are what it important?
The color of you skin doesn NOT qualify you for anything.
And I clearly stated; I was making an arguement for political correctness;which, unfortunately started out AS a race issue many years ago.

And for you conclusion jumping morons out there who actually have the audacitiy to make this a colour assumption(the term "racist" is for weak minded ****s,there is ONE race on this planet! let's get with the program boys and girls!!!) I feel it necessary to point to point out that I spent 3 days in the hospital at one point for getting the crap kicked out of by me own family because I would NOT join the KKK becuase "racist morons" are not my thing. so shove that one where the sun don't shine sparky!

BUT; this is a typical response. One I expect eveytime when some is asked to
explain their version of political correctness and what they believe it has done to the country.
If someone uses color,as I did, they are labeled a racist.
If they use gender, they are labeled sexist.
If they use foreign nationals; they are labeled intollerant and ignorant.
If someone uses status and money; they are just pathetically jealous.
It's a no win situation.

So, it's a never ending arguement.
We are both wrong and we are both right.
who gives a damn if we like it or not?
Thats life and that's the society we live in.

As much as I dislike the truth; it will never change.
As much as you don't like my personal experience and me voicing it; there are just as many of "us" as there is of you.
and it will never change.
 
I want to be clear that my entire point is that this is not an issue I feel warrants a lot of attention, and that people largely hyperbolize political correctness in order to push an agenda. So, please don't set this up as a you vs me, or us vs them situation. It's really you vs the windmill fighting a cause that is, in my opinion, largely overstated.

You started your entire diatribe off by detailing your own minority claim and how it's not fair that you can't label yourself native american to get your cut because you're white. I've never met you, but it really sounds to me like you really just want your piece of the pie. I didn't initially think you are a racist, but you seem to be pretty hung up on it.

I'm not saying that there aren't advantages for minorities. I simply believe that they do more good than harm where kids are involved. I also agree that there are instances where they go too far where adults are involved. But I don't think that the world is going stop rotating on its axis because of this as you seem to.

The only reason I brought up my education and my career is for context. I've been in government for 15 years now, and I hear this crap all the time. The only guys I hear it from are white guys who suck and blame their lack of progress and career stagnation on minorities. The reality is that, to a man, they have all undermined their own careers with their crappy attitudes and just don't see it.

What I was talking about in my post is that you sound just like the guys who blame everyone else for their failures, and are using or will use political correctness as a way to console yourself in the future.

I can personally attest, from my own experience in what many would consider Affirmative Action Hell, that there are plenty of opportunities for competent, hard working people, regardless of race. And even some opportunities left over for marginal white guys. Is there room for improvement? Sure, but as I said before, this issue is largely one that is overstated by political pundits to push a specific agenda (usually to cut funding for a program like Head Start).
 
First off; I apologize.

I know what I said makes me sound like a racist and that people would assume I want my "piece of the pie".
Personally; I followed peoples advice. I didn't like where I was,so I moved.
I was never after a piece of the pie. I was just stating that there are people who want to twist things around and callit the "poor white boy syndrome".
I never said it had anything to do with race from the beginning,but I will stick to my guns,if anyone even mentions skin colour as an example,some ****bag MUST call him a racist. Not dude,I'm not calling you a ****bag!

And why does everything have to have an agenda?
Why can't the truth just be the truth just for the sake of it being so?
What agenda would I have for a person taking an american driving test in chinese other than the fact the powers at be want to put everyones life(including hers) in danger just to appease the politically correct?
I don't want to be chinese or learn the language. Thats my choice.

And why did this become a race issue just because I used it as an example?
I clearly stated that it wasn't it and I clearly stated that someone else would make it so.
Not me.
And I refuse to accept someone elses twisted version of what I said.

Now; I don't know you either.
But from what you have said; I would have to judge your job like a police officer.
No matter how good your intentions may be, if you are being poked in the chest by someone with thier finger, you will get damn annoyed at that FINGER,Not the person doing it, so when someone else does it; it's still a FINGER and eventually you will lash out.
Shucks. Does that make you a racist?
NO, it makes you human.
Just as I am with my interpretations of my life and my experiences and of those around me.
Why was it ok for black people or chinese people to get offended at the abuse of political correctnesses and the use of racism to hide it,but when a white person speaks up,he's a racist?
It never gets mentioned.

And as for a piece of the pie; can anyone tell me just exactly what is wrong with a person,regardless of skin colour, calling themselves native to that country? That is a question I would LOVE for someone to answer WITHOUT using the race card.
I was stressing the fact of; if you are born and raised in america,whats wrong with just being american?
If someone is claiming a heritage that no one in there has not seen for 200 years,why can't everyone do the same thing?
If people want to keep playing that card due to skin clolour; try this one on for size...
The OLDEST skeletons found in North Amercia came from GAUL!
So if people want to go on ancestral heritage; I guess the ONLY people who could actually call themselves Native American would be the FRENCH.


Stevebjj; I do not like this subject to be honest.
Only for the reason that anyone can easliy misunderstand what a person is actually saying.
On a kneejerk reaction; we both assumed the other was trying to play the race card.
I have so many different colours in my heritage, I could play any card I wanted. BUT......
I preffer the equality card of merit.
So,my beef is not with you.
My beef is with all self-imposed ignorant ****s who honestly believe there is more than one race on this planet and this illusion that one is better or deserves more than another.
Until the ENTIRE WORLD realises AND accepts that; this battle will never go away.



Peace be with you and yours.


Damien
 
My point remains. You are ignorant about the state of the world. You are not taking any pains to educate yourself aside from watching youtube videos. Thus, you are WILLFULLY IGNORANT, which is the worst kind of ignorance. You are more concerned with the little knee jerk reaction you get from watching liberal media reports on the state of the USA then you are with the state of the country you live in.

As such, why should anyone take your opinions about foreign and domestic policies seriously?



The point isn't to point out whether Canada is in debt, or how in debt they are compared to the U.S. The point was to highlight the fact that you are ignorant and won't do anything to alleviate it.

What is your deal? You are sitting here trying to justify your own ignorance by pointing at some other people and saying, "Oh yeah well they are more ignorant than I am." Sorry bro, you don't even write in complete sentences or use punctuation, so I don't think you are in a position to criticize the American Education system.
 
More to the point. Canada's debt in relation to GPD is 8% greater than the US. Th amount may be smaller, but that is largely irrelevant.
 
Excellent point. Educated, analytical, excellent point. Can't give you enough props for that my friend.
 
I do agree with the sentiment that a person who has lived all their life in America is very likely to be more 'American' than whatever their ethnic background is. However, I think being a country created by immigration people in America tend to have a desire to seek out and identify with their ethnic 'roots'. I've experienced this in great detail myself as being Irish in America is like being a magnet for people's discussion of their families backgrounds (and it can be interesting if eventually a little tiring). Not to mention that being a minority ethnic group in America was until relatively recently by all accounts quite an alienating experience and so I don't find it really that suprising that many people don't simply identify themselves as 'American'.

I'm not sure such concern is justified. Do you have any real reason besides a kneejerk reaction that a person taking a written driving exam should not be allowed to take it in their first language? It's not like the signs are going to be translated or anything like that so surely the point is just to demonstrate that you know all the required information. Not that you must be proficient in English. I just don't see how this is bending over to PC-ness rather than simply making it possible for non-native English speakers to take a written test. Not to mention that written tests are really a bad way of gauging someone's driving proficiency... many people who drive would fail a written test now if they took it without revising for it and most people who revise for a few days can pass it.


Are you sure about this? How could they trace skeletal remains to Gaul? Are you suggesting that the earliest inhabitants of North America travelled there from Gaul?!? And if so what happened to the Gaul communities? I've never seen any migration model that suggested the Gauls were the earliest settlers of North America and frankly it does sound very, very, very unlikely.

'Native Americans' I would also contend is a fair enough designation for the groups who were inhabiting the Americas for centuries prior to the arrival of Europeans. America is a self acknowledged country created by immigration which suggests that those groups which were already there have a much better claim to being 'native americans'. Now as you rightly point out America the state created so many hundreds of years ago has now been in effect for so long it seems that someone who was born and grew up their should surely be able to describe themselves as a 'native' of America. I agree with the point but at the same time I think it's talking about a different type of 'native'... obviously all those who were born in the US and whose family have lived their for generations are 'natives' but it's also fair to say that those of 'Native American descent' are clearly from a group who have a much longer history of being 'native' to America hence the use of the term.

Actually Wikipedia sums it up better:

The word native (from Latin natus meaning born) has often been applied to ethnic groups to mean "a group who lived in some place before the arrival of other groups"; in this context, specifically, "before the arrival of the Europeans".

However, a more specific meaning of "native" is "born in," and thus the term native American or native of the Americas could be equally applicable to anyone born in the Americas or in United States. The word probably acquired the other (ethno-historical) sense in the early years of European naval exploration and colonial expansion, when the "natives"—the people "born in" the foreign countries—were indeed non-Europeans.

Lastly I would add that people disagreeing with a point raised by someone which involves the topic of 'race' (regardless of how valid the categories actually are) does not mean that they are necessarily insinuating the person is racist. That may turn out to be the case but I think people are too quick to jump to the conclusion that people are accusing them of being racist when in reality people may just disagree with the points being made.
 
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