Zimmerman Martin Case

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cosmiccoyotie

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They had a number of recent attempted break-ins in the area as well as some burglaries. Just two weeks prior, Zimmerman had helped catch a juvenile male with stolen property whom they later tied to at least one of the burglaries. It was raining outside, and in Zimmerman's own words he was walking around the area looking at all the houses. He has his hood up which is partially concealing his features and had his hand in his waistband according to the 911 call.

Full, unedited 911 call (NSFW).

http://www.westernjournalism.com/full-unedited-911-zimmerman-call/
 
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angelinaroxas

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Regarding stereotypes, despite what people may believe or feel, we all do it to some degree as it's a natural thing and can in fact be used to protect ourselves.

If you're walking home late at night and a group of several males begin to approach you from the front, your awareness levels should rise up some. Why? These males can be a threat to you. Does this mean we are intolerant of males, or just because of the current situation may not feel as comfortable as we would if this same group was at say a church summer festival? Context is everything, and it's a learned trait through our own experiences and observations, however right or wrong they may be, and is used instinctively.
 
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DogChick

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A bit off-topic, but the first sighting of Zimmerman since the verdict? He was helping a family of four get out of a rolled over SUV. Obviously not the homicidal sociopath he was portrayed. Unfortunately for him, it was a white family.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-truck-crash-rescue/story?id=19735432
 
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workingmom

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OK, "skipping" sounded more childlike innocence


You are correct. My apology


Sounds like the "Martins" were out to get you


Really, I do not think calling someone naive or gullible as a insult, but if you take offense to these terms, my apology


No, the other people want to make a issue of saying what they think happened or one-sided. And they are the religious nuts bent on throwing their voice around



Pro Martin people refuse to pay attention




Well yes. But the minorities feel they shouldn't be. People roll up their windows when they walk by. Heck, we roll them up for anyone walking by. In fact, how come the windows weren't rolled up in the first place? And, how much protection is a rolled up window is going to have?




Yep. Read that. If you look into Z's background, he does a lot of things beyond the "child killer" profile
 
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DarkStar

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What would it take to change me IDK? How about we change the situation for the black community. You don't have to tell me about the hundreds of law abiding black people that you know, I'm well aware that there is a large portion of the black community that are law abiding and an asset to society, for that matter they suffer the brunt of the racism because their associated with a criminal element simply because their skin is the same color, and this certainly isn't about Jews.

How about the Black leadership telling the black youth how to change their culture to stop having babies and then abandon the child. What do you expect a young person to grow into when they've been abandoned with no family structure born into poverty and a society, even the black community, disenfranchises them. But noone is forcing them to turn into criminals. Their only hero's and roll models are gangsta rap wanna be's and professional athletes that glamorize the violence and criminal activity.

Al sharpton and Jesse Jackson never talk about this to black youth inner city, why is that? The media never cover this, why? Why don't they talk about the fact that your 75% more likely to be killed by a young black male, than Hispanic and whites combined. EDIT: Coincidentally they are also the most likely to be killed by a gun at a rate of about 60%

Because I'm talking about it and laying it on the line I'm called "racist", I say if we continue to do nothing, that is way more damaging and racist.
 
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youin10years

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There is definitely a lot of very small areas of this case that either don't add up, or they add or take away from credibility from one or the other. In trying to be unbiased I have said that both of them can be put at least somewhat at fault, if not 50/50.

The race thing is what bothers me the most, Zimmerman being "half white" ... how many racial terms do you think he's had slung at him throughout his life? I'm not doubting that Martin, or many black people don't have at least some story of racism toward them, but really, is it worth the confrontation that ensued under what looks to be mostly just a misunderstanding and then turning and twisting it into a racially motivated shooting?
 
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KenneththeMenace

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Very good points, but the media is plain and simply scared to say the above about crimes involving the black population. Race cards run EVERYTHING except to those who aren't afraid to speak out.

Paula Dean ADMITS she used the "N" word years ago and now her entire career is over, but many black people call each other the word all day long and it's perfectly acceptable. This is hypocrisy at it's very best.
 
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StreetKnowledgetTPWt

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You're once again talking about African-Americans as a monolithic entity who all have the same flaws. And saying that African-Americans' only role models are rappers and athletes is...um...really, really not accurate. I know you're under stress, so I'm not going to flame you, but I am going to point out how singularly inaccurate your statement is.

Only? Only? Our president is African-American. Our Congress has had 137 African-American Congresspeople. Fourteen African-Americans have gone into space as NASA astronauts. Eighty-seven African-Americans have received the Congressional Medal of Honor. Thirteen African-Americans have been CEOs of Fortune Five Hundred companies. Cornell Engineering and Harvard University have both had African-American deans. Four Nobel Prize laureates are African-American. Twenty-eight African-Americans have won Oscars. I could keep going.

And don't even say that all African-Americans lack involved fathers. Last time I checked, Trayvon Martin was killed while walking to his father's house, right?
 
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wHiTe_GiRlo_O

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Hey Mitlov...enjoy your posts...but this thread is making people at "odds"

How do you know if he hadn't a terrible father. His father wasn't home.

His father left him with his mother to get into his own trouble.

If his father was with him that night, he'd still be alive

I just left a interesting discussion with some people, involving a black father, his two sons, and their two friends-writing it up now


Interesting Reads for Mitlov:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/199805/where-bias-begins-the-truth-about-stereotypes
http://www.fictionpress.com/s/2264706/1/The-Truth-in-Stereotypes-about-Teenagers
 
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trouble_sum81

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Earlier this evening I had stopped in a Wendy’s Restaurant where I ran into an old friend from long ago. Our relationship started over 30 years past, because I had taught a Martial Art course right out of my spacious garage as a hobby. It didn’t take long for he, and other kids in the surrounding neighborhoods to show and start practicing. After all, this garage study was free.

This long time friend, former student, Dwayne was dining with his two sons, Ali-18 (named after the boxer) and Malik-16 (sp?) Ali and Malik had each a friend with them; I guess approx their same ages.

Upon small conversation, Dwayne had informed me that they were in from out of town visiting his mother (grandmother). I no longer resided in that part of town, but his mother was still there. The subject of old practices, tournaments, and shenanigans came about.

He introduced me to the group as “ the Sensei-I told you about”. Their faces brightened as if they were seeing a living legend of some sort. They knew the old tales before I could ever describe. All too easy, they were blabbering most of these tales in short story-punch line form. (Except the friends with them, did not get the exposure likewise from their father-my former student)

All of a sudden, I heard the youth discuss the Martin-Zimmerman ordeal.

Dwayne and I sensed the tension, and he had asked me what were my thoughts. I told him, before I gave my thoughts, would he mind if I talk to his group. He nodded.

I had asked the youth, what was the story behind this, per what they had known;

Thus minus the lingo and translated:

Ali; “There was this white man who shot down this brother in cold blood”
Me: “What do you mean? How old was the person shot?”
Malik: “Yeah, it was a black boy was 13 or 14
Others in the group: “Yeah, he was walking from the store, and this white dude jumped out of his car and shot him.”

Then I had asked; If someone was following you, would you get angry?”
All said; “yes”
Then I had asked; “What would you do if you got so angry at them-would you go home?”
All of them responded with a high-emotional per response; “I would walk up to em and tell him to leave me alone/I would lead him to my friends where I would have backup/I would walk up to him and push him on the ground/I would walk up to em and punch him upside his head.”


Me; “If you were getting your head banged into a sidewalk, and you realized you had a gun on you, what would you do?”

All of them responded with a high-emotional per response; “ Put a cap in em/Shoot him many times/Get up and shoot/I woulda shot em before I got on the ground”
Dwayne, sensing that I was going through a somewhat personal investigation, had asked me; “Sensei, are you following other lies?”

I told, him that I have very much enjoy our past, that because he is a father, I could no longer be considered as his Sensei. I did congratulate him on his continuous respect. I told him, that I was always forthright and truthful with him.

I told him, that he has to have an open mind and look over both sides of anything, before coming to a conclusion.

He had replied;
“You always told us something like that.”
“It was more like-If we don’t believe you, go out and find it.”
“You got that from one of your Sensei”
“You made me go reading more about martial arts”

I told him to find out about that trial. As always, don’t let others persuade you with you finding as out as much as you can.

Dwayne was a troubled youth before I had met him. He and his brother were absent of father, but his brother took it worse as his brother rejected me, and other social norms. His brother had died from a shooting, he had left the town I and his mother resided, and he went upon his own.

Dwayne told me he thought a black president would bring huge changes and that he was upset that it did not go that way. After some other exchange; I sensed that he hated all politicians, no matter their color

Finishing up our meals, I told him I was proud he is a dad, but ALWAYS BE A DAD. He knew what I had meant, and we gave each other a “soul hug”

Here awaits the paradox:

Because of their culture, black people believe other black people They may have their doubts, but their put their faith into the color of skin. I cannot really blame them for this, but black leaders nowadays, do not desire to “educate” their brethren. They rather keep them high emotionally strung so that they can manipulate the under-educated, or mass opinionated easier
 
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smashingjenna

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Found this interesting piece:

http://www.decodedscience.com/roderick-scott-the-black-george-zimmerman-acquitted-of-murder/33569

Though there are differences in the Zimmerman case and this one (Roderick Scott), the similarities are also quite interesting. Since the media didn't blow this one out of the water by calling it a hate crime, until recently it's only been found in local NY media sources.
 
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WillieW

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You could say the same about the Scots and The Irish, as the pastor said. You could probably say the same about the human race in general. It's a cop out.
 
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joannajasmine

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He was allegedly according to Zimmerman stopping and looking at house doors, this could mean he was casing the joint, or it could mean he was merely a wee bit lost in a lookalike housing estate where every house looks very similar, and possibly looking for something unique he remembered about his friend’s house where he was headed.
In Zimmerman's shoes I would have given him a shout asking are you OK there mate (or whatever the local equivalent is) and given him directions or maybe found someone who could. But then my head isn’t up my backside.
 
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ANiceFirefighter

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The thing is though...all that is true but are those people serving as role models for black kids? Are they aspirational in the same way rappers and sports people are?
I'm not saying you're wrong Mitlov but there's a difference between being a successful person from "Group A" and being a role model for "Group A".
Your list is undoubtably the former but I'm not sure they are so strongly in the latter.
Go down to a deprived housing estate in London and most of the black kids there wouldn't be able to name people like Benjamin Zephaniah, Ekow Eshun, Kwame Kwei-Armah or Ozwald Boateng. And yet people like that should be serving as role models IMHO (for people of any colour/race TBH). They probably aren't role models in the sense being discussed.
 
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ERAddict

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The other thing is your role models tend to come from your interests. With political apathy what it is I doubt poor black youths are looking at Obama and believing they could be in his shoes one day. Its a lot easier to idolise rappers who are talking about things they're living through. There's many people in the world I respect, but my actual role models are fighters, and a singer from a band I like. And those people I look up to because there's some sort of familiarity there compared to, say, John Stuaet Mill or Bill Gates.
 
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fendarplaya

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My role models came from my family and friends, people that truly cared about me, not those who profit from my plight. Many inner city kids don't have that type of family structure so they see themselves in the idols of rap musicians, professional athletes, and movie stars. Many of whom didn't even grow up on the streets, some did. I actually like certain rap music, but I can't sing along to much of it because the lyrics would be very offensive for a white guy to sing. The music is fine, the message is wrong IMO.

Milov I'm sorry you misunderstand me I'm not lumping all African Americans into one group, I'm specifically talking about the abandoned youth of the inner city and elsewhere. A role model is someone who gets involved and helps set young people on the right path, encourages, and educates. When positive role models aren't involved then who else can they turn to...well as southpaw say's people who they relate to, who are sending the wrong message, and setting a bad example. How can they possibly interact into society when they've been surrounded with drug, and gang culture. I love to hear stories of young people who emerge from that culture and do great thing but more needs to be done. Can't we at least agree on that?
 
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HarbingerH

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According to Z, he was on foot looking for the whereabouts for M.

This is when M jumped out and started to punch on Z


But hey, this can go round for round hitting the same verses

Two people got into it, one got shot, dead, and the other is found not guilty and set free-End of Story

Wait for the book and movie
 
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