Zimmerman Martin Case

ERAddict

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I saw and followed it as it played out and the states was almost making the defense case with what they had.

I think they went about it the wrong way (the state) but that's just me.
 

ougirl

Member
You know when you see these cases of forensics tracing murders just from clues alone.

Lets have the scenario where zimmerman shot martin and left the scene of the crime (the call was untraceable let us say)

Putting all the clues together.

A person is followed by a person.

This person is armed with a deadly weapon.

This person with a deadly weapon has made antagonistic remarks about the person they are following. (These (censored) always get away with it)

The person who made these antagonistic remarks comes into contact with the person they were following. (very shortly after these remarks)

The person they were following ends up dead.

What conclusions would you draw?

Use Occam's razor
 
We can go with what if's all night but I'll deal with the evidence in this case as it is.

Believe what you want or feel how you feel but I support the verdict as per the evidence presented as did the jury. They did the right thing with what was presented to them.
 

lovepink17

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they got his offtopic instructor in specifically to testify that he was not a trained practitioner by any means, "physically soft" and "a few basic grappling classes but couldn't pick up the striking at all" are direct quotes, don't just blurt things out before looking into them its ignorant, I mean get a grip a few months training in offtopic could mean anything.
 

heydelilah07

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Do I think he's incompetent relative to other offtopic fighters and grapplers? Yes. Do I think that would still give him an advantage over an untrained youth? Also, yes. I've read a few news articles and am giving my opinion. If you've read more than me, I'd enjoy reading your sources.
 

PUREVENGANCE

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the level of training according to the testimony of his instructor, the time he spent doing it and the talent he showed again according to his instructor mean offtopic is about as relative to the case as it would be if it was mentioned he watched the ufc the weekend before, its like trying to connect experince of driving a formula 1 car on a formula 1 track to me if I ran somone over in a nisan micra after 10 weeks of driving lessons.
 

proper

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So, what I've been reading is the Folgate testimony which stated that she had been treating Zimmerman for injuries that had occurred during offtopic training which he had been doing three times a week for two years. I'm reading the testimony of his coach now, but his coach said that he was diligent and teachable, but didn't have the strength or skill to be successful at the sport. Two years of training, three times a week sounds like enough for his training to be a relevant factor in a self defense scenario.

edit: Even if he was hopeless and completely outmatched against amateur offtopic fighters.
 

futurewwediva

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Martin wasn't so "innocent" as the media portrayed;

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/03/27/trayvon-martin-was-apparently-a-17-year-old-undisciplined-punk-thug-drug-dealing-thief-and-wannabe-gangsta/

Bottom Line;
If you are being followed, confronting the person following you can be against SD 101

As I have stated, no one actually has a idea what had taken place.

This lack of facts or evidence is why the jury returned with the verdict.

We don't know if both made a attempt for the gun, as the result one will get shot.

If it was the other way around, the results would be the same with lack of factual evidence (i.e. OJ)

You have a collision course of two people who refused to evade and one ends up dead.
 

arn2877

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The reason for this being a good news is as follows. Except for the questanable of following Travin Zimmerman knew the laws of self defense and followed them them perfectly. Once he broke Contact with Martin and headed back to his car virtually any other actions by Travon Martin would have been an escalation of the conflict

. Thus if somehow Martin had gotten the gun from Martin or had succrssfully injured Zimmerman by smashing his lead into the concrete, he would not have been able to successfully used the self defense concept himself to protect himself from the law, even with Martin having the gun unless he backed off instantly upon the brandishing of the weapon.

Fortunately Zimmerman knew the law and followed it. Thousands like myself have specificallys been in the law on top of our weapons training.often knowing more than the
Attorneys themselves. We also have access as part of our memberships to instantly available funds for bail and up front attorneys feed. In addition we have legal insurance both civil and criminal in the amounts of half a million dollars and ready panels of noted national and international professional witness at our disposal. Noi longer will the biased legal and press system be able to crush in the individual rights of citizens protecting themselves against the thugs and degenerates. My message to Travons family and community is







P.
 

garyandleslied

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What people failed to realise is that the first prosecutor(s) and judge(s) turned away from this case knowing there was lack factual evidence and that it would become a racial circus that they could not win

Right or wrong, was decided in court

All of the "what ifs", "who should have done this" or "not done this" is moot.

Someone died because of a conflict of two attitudes from two people
 

pokemondude

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Was race involved? How many African-American jurors were there? A quick investigation into our legal system and race will clearly show that it is biased against minorities. So Zimmerman is assumed innocent but a black youth walking down the street is automatically assumed suspicious and murdered and that is okay? Sorry, but the logic is lacking to support that. Zimmerman will probably be sued and lose a civil suit but whatever happens, he will know and hopefully be haunted for the rest of his life for what he did.

Unless you were there or saw complete hidden video footage showing Zimmerman being a law abiding citizen throughout the entire encounter and Martin breaking the law, you shouldn't offer legal commentary or statements of fact because you are fooling yourself.

Finally, calling out an entire community and grieving family in the manner that some here have done is appalling. It's reprehensible and one should be ashamed for even thinking that way, let alone voicing one's ignorance and blatant racism.
 

letsjstpretend7

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Threatening a family who just had their son killed. Wow, you are a tough guy, and a class act to boot.

As "crackers" are "us" to you, I take it black people aren't allowed in your vigilante club?

I wonder what you mean by Trayvon's "community"?
 

jrthrmn

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Our country is rife with racism and inflaming it or ignoring it doesn't make it go away.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/orleans-police-officer-suspended-over-online-comments-trayvon-215328497.html

http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/12/why-is-joshua-chellew-less-important-than-trayvon-martin
I just saw this article about another senseless murder and if the facts are as laid out in it, it is just as damnable. However, the assertion that it isn't considered newsworthy because Chellew was white is utter and stinking cow pie.

It's not acceptable when anyone is treated unfairly because of the color of their skin, be it in the workplace over a promotion, or in the streets where a life is taken. Rodney King and Reginald Denny both deserve civil rights. However, the number of minorities that have been killed, incarcerated, and made to live as second class citizens due to their pigmentation throughout the history of our country to this day far exceeds any justifiable or ethical number. That is one of the shameful facts of our heritage and pretending that things are any different today is only going to help tear our country apart. We can never truly be a great and equal nation until this issue is resolved.
 

texasfan_16

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To some, what they want to believe;
1.) Man shoots/murders innocent kid
2.) Man shoots teen in self defense
3.) Dirty Harry vigilante wannabe and a gangster wannabe having a collision, and the one with the gun won.

Notes:
A.) If a Neighborhood Watch person can't move around and maintain constant surveillance on a stranger in the area, what's the point of it? Following someone is not a crime.

B.) Who's to say that Martin was out casing a house for later on? Maybe there would've been a home invasion, and maybe someone, other than Martin may have been seriously hurt.

C.) Martin lived 250 miles away with his mother. He went to his father because of a drug-related school suspension. His father lived in the gated community, but his long haul truck driver father was out of town.

D.) Who sends their 17-year-old, who was suspended from school for a third time in one year, to stay unsupervised in an empty house 250 miles away from them? Especially when that 17-year-old has a history of drugs, graffiti, and thefts?

E.) Why would be anyone wearing a hoodie be targeted?

F.) Another political, racial, circus for the people to be turned on each other.

G.) Another media attempt to divert focus from the Presidential woes.

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The reported facts of the case;
On Feb. 26, when Zimmerman first spotted Trayvon, he called police and reported a suspicious person, describing Trayvon as black, acting strangely and perhaps on drugs.

Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot. When a dispatch employee asked Zimmerman if he was following the 17-year-old, Zimmerman said yes. The dispatcher told Zimmerman he did not need to do that.

There is about a one-minute gap during which police say they're not sure what happened.

Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.

Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police.

Zimmerman fell to the ground and Trayvon got on top of him and began slamming his head into the sidewalk, he told police.

Zimmerman began yelling for help.

Several witnesses heard those cries, and there has been a dispute about whether they came from Zimmerman or Trayvon.

Lawyers for Trayvon's family say it was Trayvon, but police say their evidence indicates it was Zimmerman.

One witness, who has since talked to local television news reporters, told police he saw Zimmerman on the ground with Trayvon on top, pounding him — and was unequivocal that it was Zimmerman who was crying for help.

Zimmerman then shot Trayvon once in the chest at very close range, according to authorities.

When police arrived less than two minutes later, Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose, had a swollen lip and had bloody lacerations to the back of his head.

Paramedics gave him first aid but he said he did not need to go to the hospital. He got medical care the next day.
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Other Areas of Thought:
Zimmerman provoked the teen.
The teen then overreacted.
Zimmerman could have maintained an observation from a distance in the vehicle. But, he didn't.
The teen could have out ran Zimmerman. But, he didn't.
The media went on a frenzy
This was destined to end badly. No winners only losers.
 

rohits

Member
Unbiased facts? The missing minute speaks volumes and changed the lives of two men forever. Americans just need to get over their obsession with guns. Still remember when a Japanese student was shot on somebody's porch because they didn't "freeze" when told to. At some point we have to shake our head and wonder why we prize the availability of potentially lethal over the sanctity of life.
 

SnowKidtisbackt

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Already fixed that before reading your post



Therefore other countries with their obsession with knives, (murdering with) are exempt?

Nor is walking down the street. Would you want to be shot or followed because you were?
If I was suspicious from a neighborhood watchman or police, they have the right to follow. I would only get shot if I confronted those in a hostile way


Who's to say he was? He did have a reason to be in the area, that has already been established. Why would you or anybody else assume he was casing someone's house? If a white teen was walking down the street would you make the same assumptions?

Yep. I have reported anyone walking my street, white teens I could not recognize

And? That's reason to die?
No reason to die.
I am not justifying a death without knowing ALL OF the facts
I am not justifying a heavy penalty without knowing ALL OF the facts

Irrelevant and spurious. Now are you trying to blame the parents for his death?
So, parents should not be held accountable for a teen out on their own?
If a young child runs out into the street and gets hit by a car, who is at fault?


No rebuttal from you on this;
Other Areas of Thought:
Zimmerman provoked the teen.
The teen then overreacted.
Zimmerman could have maintained an observation from a distance in the vehicle. But, he didn't.
The teen could have out ran Zimmerman. But, he didn't.
The media went on a frenzy
This was destined to end badly. No winners only losers.
 
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