Zimmerman Martin Case

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Cbush

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Except there's no evidence that what happened is a direct result of Zimmerman's actions.

I don't. But there's a thing called evidence, and the prosecution didn't have any. And that leads me -- along with anyone else who is formulating their opinions based on fact rather than emotion and rumor -- to believe Zimmerman. The facts are on his side, which is why he was acquitted.

Irrelevant to this matter.

Also irrelevant, unless you've got evidence that Zimmerman started the fight. And I'm guessing you don't, because the prosecution in the Zimmerman case had no such evidence.

George Zimmerman is a paranoid, overzealous moron and Trayvon Martin is dead. That sucks, and I understand why people are angry about it. I'm angry about it. But the facts of the case are clear: there is no evidence that George Zimmerman committed any crime.
 
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lord

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"the law holds it better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent party suffer"
- William Blackstone

In my heart I believe that Zimmerman is guilty, but with only his side of the story and with no reliable witnesses that can place him as the aggressor, my head says that he has to be found not-guilty.
 
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vashsunglasses

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Per my first posts;

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The title is a tad off:"Big Win for the Good Guys"
There is "nothing good" about taking a life.

The whole thing was like a "OJ Trial In Reverse"
There was not enough evidence for a conviction.
Too many variables and "what-ifs"

My thought, can Martin's family win a "wrongful death" (or any other lawsuit) against Zimmerman from a "not guilty based upon self defense case"

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I dont think being found "responsible" is the same thing as being held for murder

Again, this is a OJ trial in reverse...per race

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And this is where the discrepancies are : Not enough facts or evidence

They fired the police chief, the first prosecutor, the first DA, the first Juddge, because these people looked over the evidence and did not find enough to warrant charges. These are all people bonded by law first and utmost, not by political or racial pressure. But racial and political outcry, forced a trial. Well, the trial and verdict went exactly as those who were force to step down knew it would.

If OJ can be acquitted from lack of reasonable doubt-lack of hardcore evidence, GZ is no different despite what anyone should "feel"

I knew, way before, many many months ago, would come down to only one of two outcomes; Not Guilty or Manslaughter
 
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lady_bella

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Of course not. But that's why I said a direct result. Zimmerman's actions were unnecessary and dangerous, but they would not have resulted in Martin's death unless Martin had gone looking for a fight. What Zimmerman did was follow someone: that does not make him responsible for the actions of the person he was following and it certainly does not strip him of his right to self-defense.
 
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dorisrussell60

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Speaking personally, and not as a mod, I feel like we'd be doing Connovar a favour by changing that title. As is, I think he needs to stand by what he says precisely because (in my opinion), it's in very poor taste. If you've been pulled up for similar things in the past, it's likely because somebody saw something there worth saving. So don't take it as an insult.
 
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JonaU

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Zimmerman is responsible for Travon's death, but guilty of no crime. That's what is so difficult in these circumstances. OJ Simson was obviously responsible for the death of his Ex wife and her boyfriend, but the prosecution couldn't prove it enough to convict. Blacks were happy to celebrate the outcome of OJ's verdict, but when it doesn't go their way riots break out, such is the way of the oppressed. It makes you wonder if we as a society will ever overcome racial tensions.
 
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APtaznpridet

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I think you need to be very careful about stating that "blacks" as a group celebrated that verdict. As though the entire black population is of one mind. I know plenty of people of every ethnicity that were outraged by that verdict. Just as many of the people currently outraged are NOT black.
 
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AidanA

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The difference is that if Zimmerman was black, he wouldn't have had the month and a half of freedom before being charged. What do you think the percentage of African-American defendants in a murder case of a white or Latino person in America would have an all African-American jury? Remind what the racial composition of The jurors in this case were? Race was involved from the beginning because Zimmerman assumed a black teen walking down the street in that neighborhood was suspicious. Considering our charged racial society, it's not a difficult or rare thing to understand, even if it shouldn't be condoned.

Only an idiot can argue that Zimmerman wasn't responsible for the death of this teenager. Had he left him alone, there wouldn't have been a confrontation, any need to claim self defense after having followed him, and no need to draw a gun in the first place.

Without knowing what transpired in the minute after the call to the police, we will never get the truth and Martin will never get his fair trial. It's funny that for some reason he didn't deserve to be presumed innocent but had to be stalked and antagonized and finally killed over what? Nothing was gained and our country bled yet again.
 
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Ryuu

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So then he was directly responsible for the death of the young man HE shot. Are you reading what you write? There was no need for self defense, no need to stalk Martin and provoke him. For a young African-American youth, a person following you in a car and then getting out of that car and pursuing you problem would seem like quite a threat, especially in an environment they weren't familiar with, regardless of the race of the pursuer. Are you ignorant of the many well known cases in which African-Americans were followed in a similar manner and later found killed?



Martin's death was a direct result of Zimmerman's actions, period. Your wording makes it clear that you are either subconsciously or purposefully ignoring reality. Martin wasn't looking for a fight, he was walking down the street minding his own business. If anyone was looking for a fight, whether purposely or otherwise, it was Zimmerman.
 
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joeys_girl_111

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I don't think a reasonable person would disagree with the stuff I've highlighted

But.

What if everything else that Zimmerman says is true? That Martin confronted him, attacked him, was on top of him slamming Zimmerman's head into the ground? Zimmerman shoots Martin in fear of his life. Is Zimmerman legally guilty of murder?
 
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GummyBear

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Considering the gated community had recently had a lot of break ins from black youths doesnt that make suspecting a young black person acting "suspiciously" understandable? There is a huge desire for people to be out spoken against profiling in order not to look racist but in scenarios like this I don't think its hugely un understandable.

As for the jurors being white, if the jurors were predominantly black would that have been better? I mean if they'd decided zimmerman was guilty would an outcry from the latino community be as justified as the one from certain people in the black community?

And yes, Martin would if been detained in this scenario because there's mkre evidence he was the attacker. Zimmerman was arrested at the scene too but the police realised there wasn't enough evidence to keep him so they let him go. People are looking for racism in this and there isn't any other than "well the court systems are racist" which us hardly a compwlling argument.
 
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HotMama

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Of course if neither had access to firearms I'd imagine Zimmerman would be a lot less likely to be prowling the streets looking for wrong 'uns and all that would have occured if he did confront Martin would have been a fight and some superficial damage (like most fights).
 
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