Zimmerman Martin Case
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BrandonMichael
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That's not what Obewan was saying at all. Cosby was saying that some black people who dress and act a certain way can't blame racism for the response to the way that they specifically are choosing to dress and act. Obewan, on the other hand, is saying that the way some black people choose to dress and act justifies a fear of all black people and makes it the responsibility of black people to fix white people's racism.
Sure, I'm up for it. I used to work with inner city students, several of whom were gang members. Here's a big shocker for you: they weren't all black.
That is most certainly not all you were saying. That is one of several things you were saying, and it happens to be the one part of your post I agreed with.
Even if you don't define your own views as hate, ideas like yours are the starting point for hate. When you decide that it's okay to judge an entire race based on the actions of some of its members, and when you decide that you are not responsible for fixing your own prejudices, hate isn't far away.
I think a lot of people decide that because they're not wearing white hoods, chanting racist slogans, and using racial slurs, they're in the clear. But the truth is that these things aren't the disease; they're symptoms. The disease is prejudice, and defending the prejudice is spreading the disease.
Sure, I'm up for it. I used to work with inner city students, several of whom were gang members. Here's a big shocker for you: they weren't all black.
That is most certainly not all you were saying. That is one of several things you were saying, and it happens to be the one part of your post I agreed with.
Even if you don't define your own views as hate, ideas like yours are the starting point for hate. When you decide that it's okay to judge an entire race based on the actions of some of its members, and when you decide that you are not responsible for fixing your own prejudices, hate isn't far away.
I think a lot of people decide that because they're not wearing white hoods, chanting racist slogans, and using racial slurs, they're in the clear. But the truth is that these things aren't the disease; they're symptoms. The disease is prejudice, and defending the prejudice is spreading the disease.
jackaroni1229
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All I'm trying to say is that we have to do something different, hundreds of years making the same mistakes and the same thought process has gotten us back to square one. Here's a wiki article that spells out basically what I'm saying http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_brute. I know I'm stereotyping and FWIW I don't like it anymore than you do. My cards are on the table, I'm ready willing and able to change my attitude, show me something different.
ILUVSEALStttt
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Sorry for not saying "some" of course your correct, in fact I'd say a small number of black people, I'd even say relatively speaking more crime is committed by white's and other people of color than blacks, overall. And a disproportionate number of black males get sentenced to longer terms and more frequently than other races. It's all part of the discussion that needs to take place and worked through.
I tend to judge white people as being more likely to invade my homeland, enslave people and spread diseases, then set up economically repressive institutions which perpetuate inequalities through generations. White people also have a inbuilt tendency to blame these problems on other folks' choice of music or dress. But I'm not racist or anything.
I was interested in this, so I looked up the FBI statistics on violent crime and the US census' report on demographics. I was going to set up a spreadsheet later tonight and do some t-tests, but here are the sources I found.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html
Just from some back of the envelope stuff, it looks like blacks are arrested at a higher rate than their population for some violent crime, but I'm not sure how much this speaks to the actual incidence of crime. It could just be that white criminals are arrested at a lower rate. Personally, I doubt that that can account for the differences in violent crime.
I was interested in this, so I looked up the FBI statistics on violent crime and the US census' report on demographics. I was going to set up a spreadsheet later tonight and do some t-tests, but here are the sources I found.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html
Just from some back of the envelope stuff, it looks like blacks are arrested at a higher rate than their population for some violent crime, but I'm not sure how much this speaks to the actual incidence of crime. It could just be that white criminals are arrested at a lower rate. Personally, I doubt that that can account for the differences in violent crime.
knockout951
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What can I say...It's what we do.
Well, then it's a good thing that I'm not like you. Kind of the point of the thread really though. Assuming people are like you, will react like you, or think like you is a very big mistake. Assuming that because they don't that they are wrong, dangerous, deserve to be discriminated against or abused is a bigger one. I'm ready to listen to you as soon as you say something intelligent and non-discriminatory, but I'm not interested in hearing excuses for bigotry or more blaming the victim. Oh, and you can discriminate against a group or be racist against that group even if you are married to someone of that race.
I was specifically referring to your comment concerning visiting a "more racist" town in Florida. You don't know what racism I have been exposed to or might have even demonstrated myself in the past. So instead of coming back with something intelligent and enlightening, all we get from you and Kuma is more of the same. Well, birds of a feather do flock together. If people see somebody being racist and you don't have a problem with with that particular person is saying, it may be that you need to take a look in the mirror. It's not all about using racial slurs or dressing in all white you know.
I was specifically referring to your comment concerning visiting a "more racist" town in Florida. You don't know what racism I have been exposed to or might have even demonstrated myself in the past. So instead of coming back with something intelligent and enlightening, all we get from you and Kuma is more of the same. Well, birds of a feather do flock together. If people see somebody being racist and you don't have a problem with with that particular person is saying, it may be that you need to take a look in the mirror. It's not all about using racial slurs or dressing in all white you know.
if i've offended you with my views or posts on religion, then i apologize.
but i'm struggling to remember a time where i've said that i don't trust religious people or i'm suspicious of them to cause me bodily harm. and also, how can i tell if someone is religious if they don't tell me? it's not like i can spot a religious person unless they're wearing a (insert religious garb here).
but i'm struggling to remember a time where i've said that i don't trust religious people or i'm suspicious of them to cause me bodily harm. and also, how can i tell if someone is religious if they don't tell me? it's not like i can spot a religious person unless they're wearing a (insert religious garb here).
loveislikeware
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The African-American community is just as diverse as any other community so to generalize them without obviously having a clue about the intricacies of that community, its history, and its plight,
Thus no other culture had endured this?
The fact is, other cultures got over it
More likely, if it weren't for dominating African tribes selling their own kind to whites offshore.
These tribes were far worse than their new white owners
If that was the case, minorities, in particularly African-Americans, should hate all whites forever because of what was done to their ancestors during slavery.
They dont hate whites, they have to hang the "slavery" card forever.
And on the subject if racism, why is it when whites talk bout blacks, it is racisnm, whereas blacks talking about whites, its not?
On another note, from a black pastor I know;
The black race is naturally violent.
We are a people with high emotions looking to settle things violently
Thus no other culture had endured this?
The fact is, other cultures got over it
More likely, if it weren't for dominating African tribes selling their own kind to whites offshore.
These tribes were far worse than their new white owners
If that was the case, minorities, in particularly African-Americans, should hate all whites forever because of what was done to their ancestors during slavery.
They dont hate whites, they have to hang the "slavery" card forever.
And on the subject if racism, why is it when whites talk bout blacks, it is racisnm, whereas blacks talking about whites, its not?
On another note, from a black pastor I know;
The black race is naturally violent.
We are a people with high emotions looking to settle things violently
with all due respect ero, i disagree. and i have also seen hard-line racism; not only words, but i've seen the violent side of it first hand. in my experience, the more overtly physical aspect of racism starts seemingly small, with words and thoughts. i'm not saying to control anyone's thoughts, i am saying that even seemingly innocuous verbalized generalization needs to be pointed out as negative.
Alexandra009
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agreed.
SoCcErChIcK
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One of the witnesses testified he did say it, but apparently it wasn't racist.
lalocaindianagirl
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Martin had a poor history as well
Zimmerman ignited anything but ticking off a aggresive gansta type young black man
"If this", "if that" does not change "what is" done
I've said it before, I'll say it agian.
Two people in the wrong place, at the wrong time, with the wrong attitudes
Zimmerman ignited anything but ticking off a aggresive gansta type young black man
"If this", "if that" does not change "what is" done
I've said it before, I'll say it agian.
Two people in the wrong place, at the wrong time, with the wrong attitudes
nickjwantsme
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Dont you know in order for it to be racist, minorities are "exempt"
inconspiracywithsatan
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I think Romany Malco's views are some of the best I've read hands down.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3612231
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3612231
RahrahAngel
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You obviously have some personal issues you need to deal with with regard to race. Regardless though, anybody can be racist. There, happy? Problem is, that white racism against minorities in America and elsewhere, has led to a lot widespread subjugation, killing, economic and social disparity, and a lot of the other social issues we deal with today. Given your age, you should know all these things, but perhaps you need to research it a bit as you sound like you are saying it's okay for whites to be racist because other people are too. That kind of kindergartener logic is part of the problem with America today.
They can't get over it because it still happens today.
They can't get over it because it still happens today.