Abortion is Wrong

Yeah as I said...the way I expressed it is was flawed rather than what's in the book.
I tried to couch it in such a way that made it clear there weren't distinct stages but ongoing developmental "nods", developments and structures that show up through development that are a result of our non-human evolution.
I used the words "roughly" and "It's not as clear as that" but badly used the word "stage" too. My bad.
 
Ofcourse. There are extremes to every side.

I certainly don't condone the killing of abortion doctors or any such thing.
 
They delve into every crack and crevice in your personal and professional life, your family history, interviews, visits, TONS of paperwork. I needed a lot of help getting through the process.
If buying a house is a drive through meal, then the adoption process is like traveling to Alaska, going on a hunting expedition, shooting your quarry, carrying it back by foot, processing it yourself, then preparing it yourself too. We needed a lot of help and patience. Luckily, my wife is smarter than I am.

We have been watching a ten month baby girl recently that we got from the hospital in the middle of the night when her mother overdosed.
After two weeks DHS gave her back to her mother, that lasted almost three full days and she came back with us again.
She constantly cires and it's hard to believe how many issues a child can have at such an early age. We can't adopt her, but we can foster her until she can be adopted, hopefully by a loving family.
I'm trying to get my brother and his wife through the process, but it's proving even more difficult.
 
Doesn't matter to me man... signing up is signing up. A guy doesn't know where he might wind up or when he might wind up there many times. I have some friends that have been in, 1 of them was just a cook (no the Steven Seagal cook lol) and he just did his 4 years and got out... another one went in to get money for school and is now a drill sergeant I believe in San Diego IIRC. My uncle used to have to fly the bodies from Vietnam back to the states. My Grandfather's platoon was actually in hitler's summer home... that's where they thought he might have been apparently, or they wanted to go everywhere he could have gone to make sure that he didn't get away. He picked up a few things from there that my Grandmother kept. I know he had a few old German lugers that my cousin has, but i'm not sure what she did with the other stuff. My uncle went over the wall at D-day and had to step over his best friends dead body... very sad.

Anyway, my point is that you don't ever know when you might have wound up in a situation you never thought you'd be in, so I respect every soldier out there.
 
MUCH respect for that man! That's a lot to go through. My Wife is about 1 month away from having our first, and I thought we had it rough lol.
 
I'll pray for you can mean whatever you want it to mean. I don't do it to be "nice". If you think that's all that it's about then you should read the Bible and learn what it means.
 
What is not useful to one, is very much so to another. I never said you weren't happy with who you were. One can always be happier anyway.
 
Or you could tell me. Or at least give me a page refernce or something I mean the bible's a pretty stuffy book for the sake of learning what "I'll pray for you" means. I'm not asking you to do it. You're the one being incredibly patronising saying you'll do so despite requests not to so I feel the onus is on you to explain it, not on me to go and read an entire book so that I might be enlightened.

And further, how can it mean whatever I want it to? You're the one doing the praying, I assume that actually means saying or thinking something.
 
I could never understand why people look to "pray" for others when they are not even asking for it.

This would be like giving someone petro for an electric car
 
No, that's ok... i'd rather you figure it out on your own. How do you think it can mean whatever you want? Ponder it for a while.
 
I don't agree. Based on the posts so far I think it means that he can feel superior to us who are not saved. That he has the answer that he can pray to his god to open our eyes so that we can be saved and he gets brownie points with his god. By praying for us he can say look god, I am doing your bidding.

Besides if he is busy praying for us and our sins he doesn't have to spend as much time looking at his own. Introspection tends to be painful, at least in my experience it can be.

The parable about eyes, splinters and logs comes to mind here.
 
I agree, I was mostly just doing that for cheap laughs and a faux-philosophy angle :3. "I will pray for you" is the most sanctimonious way to end an argument without actually responding to someone's points.
 
Not at all. I love discussions like this, there is so much to learn and it is a lot of fun.
 
“Prayer; To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy.”
― Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary
 
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