Atheists: Argue with this statement made by a religious person to me?

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"nature did not create anybody God did and if you do not believe in God then He must not have called you yet. He may not for you are right you can't force anyone to do anything that they do not want to do. God feels the same way, that is why He gave us freewill"

What do you have to say?
There are some good answers here. Lol.
It's going to be hard for me to choose a best answer for this one. Some very good answers.
LMAO!!! @Mr. Holy Underpants, yea but he has to call you after nine that is when his AT&T minutes are free.
 
Okay then. If i'm right, then you wasted your life. If you're right, there's not much I can do at that point, is there?

I heard Hell's lava is refreshing this time of eternity anyway. Plus, I've heard many cool things about Satan, he seems like the guy that you would go to a strip club with.
 
God gave us the flexibility of freewill, but the inflexibility of a an eternal judgement system whereby if we exercise that freewill in the wrong way, we are banished to an eternity of torment and damnation in the worst place in the universe? That doesn't sound like he really gave us freewill then, did he.
 
"nature did not create anybody god did..."

Bare assertion fallacy. There is no evidence of any kind any "god" exists or ever created anything, and all the evidence we do have shows everything that exists is the natural result of natural processes.

The whole thing is silly -- there's no evidence any claimed "god" exists, so claiming to know the attributes, wants, desires, will, etc. of such a being that can't be shown to exist is just silly, and entirely worthless.

Peace.
 
If he gave us free will, then how can he know what we are going to do? That means that he doesn't know everything.
 
Usually when a theist makes an argument for God, they automatically assume it is the God they believe in. Not only do they have the burden of proof to demonstrate their God claim is true, but they must then provide evidence that it is the God they've chosen to believe in. To make a statement "nature did not create anybody, God did" is just an empty assertion and actually contradicts what science knows about nature. All a theist can do is provide excuses for why their claims don't stand up to pure observation. To say "God has not called you yet" can be turned around on them because there have been over 3000 different Gods invented by men throughout history. You could simply say "the God Zeus hasn't called upon you yet, so that is why you don't believe in Zeus yet". In this context, we see how absurd their argument is because we can apply it to anything someone doesn't believe in. The same with the rest of their arguments. You could replace "God" with "Magical Fairies" and their arguments would still be just as valid. As humans, we are capable of believing anything (real or imagined). It can be difficult to sort out real from fantasy because of what we can consider true or as evidence. Many theists say the universe is too complex not to have an intelligent designer. This can sound very logical and supporting for the concept of God. Just because it seems impossible for nature to be the sole creator, doesn't mean that it's not. We also have tons of evidence that supports nature alone could be our sole creator. It is because the theist wants to find supporting evidence for their God that they don't consider the other possibilities for what they consider evidence. It is this last reason that it's not wise to argue with a theist. They are not concerned with where the evidence really leads, they have already made up their minds to where the evidence leads, even if you have a very logical argument that contradicts their conclusion. There are many ex-theists, but they have to find their way on their own. They can not be reasoned with until after the fact of becoming an ex-theist, then it becomes crystal clear. It is great that arguments and stories get posted on the internet because when a theist does start to notice the cracks in their beliefs, it gives them a support line to help them through the tough transition.
 
''nature did not create anybody''

He is right infinity did


''God did and if you do not believe in God then He must not have called you yet. He may not for you are right you can't force anyone to do anything that they do not want to do. God feels the same way''

Fairy tales, no proof


''that is why He gave us freewill''

Free will doesn't exist cause you can't choose your brain before your birth. Everything you do rely on your brain, Your personality actually reside in your frontal lobe.
 
THIS IS RELIG DISCUSSION NOT ANGER SO DONT WASTE YOUR TIME...this statement is correct. You just did not like it.
SEE MATT 28:19
 
I don't really have to respond to bare assertions.

But the notion that I don't believe in god because he hasn't chosen me is incompatible with the idea that I have freewill.
 
As another pointed out, they need to prove god first - especially since they're trying to get you to believe what they are telling you.

"he may not" call you? Bible - god doesn't wish ANY to perish...

Freewill is NOT in the bible.... freedom to choose is. Those are not the same thing.

It's ridiculous for a god who has full knowledge of Everything (another thing that isn't in the bible), create people who are going to piss him off to the point that he has to create a place of torture/torment so that he can feel good about himself. It's outrageous that people can not see how stupid that is.... and it's even more outrageous that they don't realize this is what they claim their Satan does - except he just wants to destroy you.... not keep you mentally alert for all eternity so he can torture you.

There's all kinds of things one can point out in that statement. It's just weird that the person speaking can't seem to see it.
 
There is no argument. For an argument, you need some sort of sense or facts to tackle. In this statement there is none.

You have two options:

If you want to keep them as a friend then just say "OK, that is what you believe"
If you do not want to bother just tell him he is a tosser.
 
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