...........how many of you truly believe that people who are are atheist and say god either is responsible for EVERYTHING or is responsible for NOTHING, ero, making him responsible for the good AND the bad, are afraid to , do not, and can not take responsibility for their own life,
actions, thoughts and views?
and why do you beleive this to be so when you cant and dont know these people?
kuulio....
why did you answer again?
im not asking YOU am i?
im asking the y/a community
think what you want dear, i asked a question , which is what this place is for
is it not?
Jamie m…
Maybe, because soemoen who thinks rationally and realistically thinks that if you are a creator of all, and you did create it all, and are credited for al lthe good of it, then maybe, you are also credited with the bad?
why is it considered blame, whens its negative, and credit when its good?
doesnt that appear to be selective to you?
as it does to anyone who says that its responsible for both
and jamie m...
did you ever consider that maybe its not "blame" but theory, that IF a god did exist, then he IS responsible for both
and this theory is stated BECAUSE beleivers say otherwise?
and jamie m that....
its a "conversation"?
i am capable of talking about things i dont beleive in as if they did exist, its called hypothesis, and discussing things to people about something you dont necessarily agree with
or are you only capable of talking to people who agree with eveyrthing you believe about everything you beleive and never talking outside your own views?
muhammed ;-)
nice to see you today
I agree , theres noting at all wrong in accepting and being able to admit something which is just kind of common sence, because it seems a bit controversial to some,or something some cant contemplate
We are always searching for the answers ourselves really ;-)
azure horse ;-)
I agree, you probably do learn more self growth in the ‘bad’ times, but good timescan teach you just as well
But, either way, if its about learning, we often need a helping hand to find our way, and for many god just isn’t there for that
But, in reality, if we do something bad, its our responsibility, if we do something good, its our credit, same for pets, same for anything, I just don’t see why this ‘god’ is excluded from this, tht doesn’t make any sence to exclude it in that way
and we as a race are not failing, we are coming apart
any good parent knows when its time to step in and give your child the support and care they need
Well roger,
the thing is, it’s the fact that every time the q is asked many answers from Christians say the same thing, so it doesn’t appear to be a minority, that’s why I asked the q, 1 or 2 people I ignore, but when a whole listt, of answeres one after the other agree on that, I think theres a problem to be tackled and dealt with
I appreciate your answer and your honesty, but if you saw all the answers, in more than one q asked about this, youd see that it’s a bit more than the odd person
;-)
lan ;-)
As I said in my q
Its NOT “blame”
This is what im trying to explain to people who believe it is
Is a logical conclusion to a discussion about god between 2 people, 1 a believer one a non believer
And, when we do say anything its in a conversation WITH a believer ABOUT god, so of course we will discuss it,
Im open to discussing all things,
As I said in my answer, I can still talk, theorize, discuss and debate about things I don’t necessarily agree with the person im debating, discussing and theorising with
No one can say they agree on everything with everyone they talk to, so we often discuss things we don’t “believe in” or agree with
So , in response to a believer saying he credits god with the good, but not to blame for the bad, we then converse with them saying our views on that claim
its rather simple
its a conversation, a hypothetical
a discussion, talking
actions, thoughts and views?
and why do you beleive this to be so when you cant and dont know these people?
kuulio....
why did you answer again?
im not asking YOU am i?
im asking the y/a community
think what you want dear, i asked a question , which is what this place is for
is it not?
Jamie m…
Maybe, because soemoen who thinks rationally and realistically thinks that if you are a creator of all, and you did create it all, and are credited for al lthe good of it, then maybe, you are also credited with the bad?
why is it considered blame, whens its negative, and credit when its good?
doesnt that appear to be selective to you?
as it does to anyone who says that its responsible for both
and jamie m...
did you ever consider that maybe its not "blame" but theory, that IF a god did exist, then he IS responsible for both
and this theory is stated BECAUSE beleivers say otherwise?
and jamie m that....
its a "conversation"?
i am capable of talking about things i dont beleive in as if they did exist, its called hypothesis, and discussing things to people about something you dont necessarily agree with
or are you only capable of talking to people who agree with eveyrthing you believe about everything you beleive and never talking outside your own views?
muhammed ;-)
nice to see you today
I agree , theres noting at all wrong in accepting and being able to admit something which is just kind of common sence, because it seems a bit controversial to some,or something some cant contemplate
We are always searching for the answers ourselves really ;-)
azure horse ;-)
I agree, you probably do learn more self growth in the ‘bad’ times, but good timescan teach you just as well
But, either way, if its about learning, we often need a helping hand to find our way, and for many god just isn’t there for that
But, in reality, if we do something bad, its our responsibility, if we do something good, its our credit, same for pets, same for anything, I just don’t see why this ‘god’ is excluded from this, tht doesn’t make any sence to exclude it in that way
and we as a race are not failing, we are coming apart
any good parent knows when its time to step in and give your child the support and care they need
Well roger,
the thing is, it’s the fact that every time the q is asked many answers from Christians say the same thing, so it doesn’t appear to be a minority, that’s why I asked the q, 1 or 2 people I ignore, but when a whole listt, of answeres one after the other agree on that, I think theres a problem to be tackled and dealt with
I appreciate your answer and your honesty, but if you saw all the answers, in more than one q asked about this, youd see that it’s a bit more than the odd person
;-)
lan ;-)
As I said in my q
Its NOT “blame”
This is what im trying to explain to people who believe it is
Is a logical conclusion to a discussion about god between 2 people, 1 a believer one a non believer
And, when we do say anything its in a conversation WITH a believer ABOUT god, so of course we will discuss it,
Im open to discussing all things,
As I said in my answer, I can still talk, theorize, discuss and debate about things I don’t necessarily agree with the person im debating, discussing and theorising with
No one can say they agree on everything with everyone they talk to, so we often discuss things we don’t “believe in” or agree with
So , in response to a believer saying he credits god with the good, but not to blame for the bad, we then converse with them saying our views on that claim
its rather simple
its a conversation, a hypothetical
a discussion, talking