Did jesus fulfill the messianic prophecies?

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acostadaniel18

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What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:

A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).

C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world—on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).

The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.

Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists
 
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Sarah

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yes, even if the another messiah were to come now he still wouldn't complete all prophecy cause it's kinda too late. If the Bible doesn't speak of Messiah coming twice then why does the Bible seem to describe two different settings?
 
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ChrisPy

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Here are some more.............


Below is listed old testament prophecy on the left, and new testament fulfillment on the right. Given the fact that Jesus is a real person, not a fictional character. These should be appealing. Jesus was seen by thousands of people. We could liken him to any modern-day superstar in terms of popularity. Jesus performed his miracles in front of thousands, also his prophecies were completed in front of many eye witnesses(sometimes thousands) To deny the fact that he existed is not a plausible argument.
OT Prophecy. NT Fulfillment
As the Son of God
Ps 2:7. Lu 1:32,35
As the seed of the woman
Ge 3:15. Ga 4:4
As the seed of Abraham
Ge 17:7 22:18. Ga 3:16
As the seed of Isaac
Ge 21:12. Heb 11:17-19
As the seed of David
Ps 132:11 Jer 23:5. Ac 13:23 Ro 1:3
His coming at a set time
Ge 49:10 Da 9:24,25. Lu 2:1
His being born of a virgin
Isa 7:14. Mt 1:22,23 Lu 2:7
His being called Immanuel
Isa 7:14. Mt 1:22,23
His being born in Bethlehem of Judea
Mic 5:2. Mt 2:1 Lu 2:4-6
Great persons coming to adore him
Ps 72:10. Mt 2:1-11
The slaying of the children of Bethlehem
Jer 31:15. Mt 2:16-18
His being called out of Egypt
Ho 11:1. Mt 2:15
His being preceded by John the Baptist
Isa 40:3 Mal 3:1. Mt 3:1,3 Lu 1:17
His being anointed with the Spirit
Ps 45:7 Isa 11:2 61:1. Mt 3:16 Joh 3:34 Ac 10:38
His being a Prophet like to Moses
De 18:15-18. Ac 3:20-22
His being a Priest after the order of Melchizedek
Ps 110:4. Heb 5:5,6
His entering on his public ministry
Isa 61:1,2. Lu 4:16-21,43
His ministry commencing in Galilee
Isa 9:1,2. Mt 4:12-16,23
His entering publicly into Jerusalem
Zec 9:9. Mt 21:1-5
His coming into the temple
Hag 2:7,9 Mal 3:1
Mt 21:12 Lu 2:27-32. Joh 2:13-16
His poverty
Isa 53:2. Mr 6:3 Lu 9:58
His meekness and want of ostentatious
Isa 42:2. Mt 12:15,16,19
His tenderness and compassion
Isa 40:11 42:3

Mt 12:15,20. Heb 4:15
His being without guile
Isa 53:9. 1Pe 2:22
His zeal
Ps 69:9. Joh 2:17
His preaching by parables
Ps 78:2. Mt 13:34,35
His working miracles
Isa 35:5,6. Mt 11:4-6 Joh 11:47
His bearing reproach
Ps 22:6 69:7,9,20. Ro 15:3
His being rejected by his brethren
Ps 69:8 Isa 63:3. Joh 1:11 7:3
His being a stone of stumbling to the Jews
Isa 8:14. Ro 9:32 1Pe 2:8
Ps 69:4 Isa 49:7. Joh 15:24,25
His being rejected by the Jewish rulers
Ps 118:22. Mt 21:42. Joh 7:48
That the Jews and Gentiles should combine against Him
Ps 2:1,2. Lu 23:12 Ac 4:27
Ps 41:9 55:12-14. Joh 13:18,21
His disciples forsaking him
Zec 13:7. Mt 26:31,56
His being sold for thirty pieces silver
Zec 11:12. Mt 26:15
His price being given for the potter's field
Zec 11:13. Mt 27:7
The intensity of his sufferings
Ps 22:14,15. Lu 22:42,44
His sufferings being for others
Isa 53:4-6,12 Da 9:26. Mt 20:28
His patience and silence under suffering
Isa 53:7. Mt 26:63 27:12-14
His being smitten on the cheek
Mic 5:1. Mt 27:30
Isa 52:14 53:3. Joh 19:5
His being spit on and scourged
Isa 50:6. Mr 14:65 Joh 19:1
His hands and feet being nailed to the cross
Ps 22:16. Joh 19:18 20:25
His being forsaken by God
Ps 22:1. Mt 27:46
His being mocked
Ps 22:7,8. Mt 27:39-44
Gall and vinegar being given him to drink
Ps 69:21. Mt 27:34
His garments being parted, and lots cast for his vesture
Ps 22:18. Mt 27:35
His being numbered with the transgressors
Isa 53:12. Mr 15:28
His intercession for His murderers
Isa 53:12. Lu 23:34
His Death
Isa 53:12. Mt 27:50
That a bone of him should not be broken
Ex 12:46 Ps 34:20. Joh 19:33,36
His being pierced
Zec 12:10. Joh 19:34,37
His being buried with the rich
Isa 53:9. Mt 27:57-60
His flesh not seeing corruption
Ps 16:10. Ac 2:31
His resurrection
Ps 16:10 Isa 26:19. Lu 24:6,31,34
His ascension
Ps 68:18. Lu 24:51 Ac 1:9
His sitting on the right hand of God
Ps 110:1. Heb 1:3
His exercising the priestly office in heaven
Zec 6:13. Ro 8:34
His being the chief corner-stone of the Church
Isa 28:16. 1Pe 2:6,7
 
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mAngie

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Israel is a promised paradise. It's not middle eastern property.

The 2ND TEMPLE was still standing when Jesus was alive, and for 35+ years more after he died. Are you really suggesting that the Jews of Jesus' time expected the temple to be destroyed and rebuilt a 3rd time by the messiah they were so eagerly anticipating?

The only temple that will be rebuilt is the body. Jesus said to the priests "tear down this temple, and in 3 days I will raise it up again." And they misunderstood Jesus, because the temple Jesus was referring to was his body.

Jesus is the living WORD OF GOD made flesh. He is the messiah, and he foreshadowed our own everlasting Holy kingdom. "The Kingdom of God is within you."

No cross, no crown. Those are God's terms if you want to be resurrected from the dead and have the everlasting Kingdom of God in a glorified, Holy, and perfected body.

Doesn't that make more sense than separating pots and pans and dairy and meat and the million other goofy things Jews do?

And do Jews even connect that they are rejecting Jesus' lineage through Joseph based on the virgin birth? They either have to accept the lineage through Joseph, or affirm the miracle of Jesus' conception in order to deny Jesus' line. What a pickle God put you in.
 
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Martintatheistt

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The historical fact is that no one knows if Jesus even really existed as there is no evidence of the character outside of people talking about the stories told by the Christians and the Bible.

Any prophecies that are named in the New Testament of the Jesus character fulfilling can be easily regarded as artistic licensing, the same way Neo fullfilled the prophecies of the Matrix Trilogy.
 
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Jeanmarie

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You've asked this many times.
You don't listen.

A-Jesus WAS the third temple

B-Jews are back

C-This was spiritual

D-This was spiritual

There are over 300 that Jesus fulfilled and I gave these to you.
Did you even take a second to look-old and new test prophecies Jesus fulfilled!!
What if you are wrong and Jesus Is/Was the messiah and you in your stubbornness didn't take the real time to find out???What if?
 
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EthanR

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What do you mean "no concept of a second coming exists"? Sure it does. All throughout the new testament.

1st Corinthians comes to mind.
21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

edit - jeanmarie, I'm putting you down as Best Answer!!!
 
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scaerdrys

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Apparently, some people have also missed the part where the Hebrew Messiah is supposed to fulfill all these things in ONE lifetime, as well.
Peace
 
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Peadar

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"Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD" - Jeremiah 23:16

Prophecy pah! They spoke only words from their own minds, it says so in the bible.
 
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KosherNinjaChickJPA

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Of the 23 Jewish prophecies, Jesus only fulfilled *one* before he died: namely, he was born to a Jewish mother.


The only reason that the notion of a 'second coming' ever evolved, was purely *because* Jesus died before accomplishing what the Jewish Tanakh states the Maschiach must.

Jewish belief is clear: the maschiach gets ONE normal MORTAL lifetime in which to fulfill the prophecies.

Ergo, Jesus was not the maschiach.

http://www.messiahtruth.com
 
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Morganie5

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Jesus will return to fufill those prophecies (the second coming) when he will usher in the end of the age.

His first coming was a time of grace and humility. His second will be the time of complete victory.

First coming prophecies that Jesus fufilled (among others):
"He was despised and rejected by men,
a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering.
Like one from whom men hide their faces
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Surely he took up our infirmities
and carried our sorrows,
yet we considered him stricken by God,
smitten by him, and afflicted.

But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,
and by his wounds we are healed.

We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to his own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all."
- Isaiah 53:3-6

"But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times."
Micah 5:2

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
Isaiah 9:6

How can a son be born who will be called God? How can a child be born in bethlehem who's "origins are from Ancient times"? This is in the Jew's own Torah that these prophecies were given.
 
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john

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No, he did not.

Even the "fulfillments" attributed to him in the New Testament misinterpret the sources in the Torah.

That being said, the message of peace and love was the right one and still stands.
 
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FredBauder

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All good points, however, it should be pointed out that he never claimed to be the messiah, or that he was accomplishing any of those things. All the stuff about him being the messiah was added by Christians who remembered and wrote in an expansive way. Nevertheless his teachings of faith, love, and forgiveness are a sound guide to a spiritual life, for a Jew or a gentile. Just do, don't talk about it.
 
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PemaBiologist

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A. No
B. No, they are everywhere
C. No, in fact it's caused more shit than anything
D. No, but not for a lack of trying early in the morning

Well they claim that Jesus fulfilled prophecies because you know.... you can write the prophecy itself after the actual event.
 
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L'Chaimt

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Well your are right he did not fulfill the real Hebrew prophecies. The xians have since twisted, rewritten and rearranged the OT to fit their so called messiah. But more over Jews will not even worship our messiah...that is blasphemy. We are not looking for some supernatural being. Our messiah is totally different than that Jesus fellow. He will be a man and will fulfill ALL of the prophecies in his lifetime.
 
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