Immigration debate

I can't tell if you're being dense or deliberately obtuse.

1) He assaulted her for not agreeing to marry him.
2) Iran's laws allow for such 'eye for an eye' retribution, but such sentences are rarely passed and even less rarely carried out.
3) The sentence was never carried out as the victim pardoned her attacker.

You're willing to condemn an entire culture because a minority hold strong religious beliefs? Hell, I hope you're including Americans in just as much contempt since a minority of them hold extreme views regarding abortion, stem cell research, same sex relationships etc etc.
 
You know what, I'm going to leave the arguing to you from now on, holyheadjch. You're much better at it. I'll go back to making fun of both sides.
 
Any culture that would hold such punishment for something of a civil liberty yes. I would condemn them. And yes, Americans too. If you would cause harm to someone for their civil liberty. Civilized liberty than yes as well.

look at your line 1. In their culture this is justified. He assualted her for not agreeing to marry him. In Canada we have had an issue with honour killings in that culture... honour killing. Young daugther strangled by her Dad for wearing western clothes, brothers defending him saying they would have only broken her bones however. Mother stating she should not have dishonoured the family. I would have no problem seeing that family culture wiped off the planet. Not at all and not blink an ounce of guilt.

Now you likely think I am right wing zealout
I support abortion choice
I support gay marriage and adoption
I support stem cell research
I even support legalized prostitution
I could care less what colour you are. I am not systemically racist I am culturally prejudiced.
I can't stand organized religion of any kind. God and or Gods have crippled every society, and justified the torture of millions. Be it Christian, Muslim or whatever. Religion is a crutch. IMO.

Lines 2, I am very glad to hear this. Or we don't hear about it all that much.

Line 3, she has a very strong heart to forgive her attacker, either that or her and her family were threatened. Or she has been through enough grief already.
 
That rant was a bit over the top sorry but the whole "you'll understand when you're older" is something I've put up with a lot from certain family members who couldn't cope with having a liberal in the family who actually brought evidence and science into discussions. Its a slight sore spot still
 
I still don't know what you are trying to get at here.

If it was considered acceptable, it wouldn't be against the law. You act like it is only muslims who go on a rampage and kill their wives/girlfriends. In the Muslim world, they get called honour killings, in the Western World, we call it domestic homicide and they're not rare. In 08/09 in England and Wales, there were 0.0023 domestic homicides per thousand population. For a population of 60m, I make that ~138. Is Canada any better? Are you perhaps throwing stones in a big, sparsely populated glass house?

These are all outliers to the point where individual instances get reported as major news stories. They are more common in rural communities in the developing world, but in urban centres, which is where most immigrants come from, they are not common.

No, I just think you are uninformed. That you have that in common with right wing zealots is a coincidence, I'm sure.
 
Indeed. To draw an even more obvious parallel many states in the USA still regularly hand out death sentences. You kill someone. You will be killed by the state. Sounds like Iran's eye for an eye" retribution law to me. Now clearly since murder, rape and child molestation are very prevalent in western cultures like the USA and the UK. Our societies condone these crimes and we're perfectly happy for them to be happening. Even if we do punish people for committing them. We're really okay with it right? Because it's part of our culture.

And I guess we must also be okay with prostitution, human trafficking, domestic violence, robbery, GBH, etc, etc, etc. Because going by your logic bujingodai if a minority of people commit these crimes the society considers it perfectly fine and acceptable behaviour.

Here's some more acid stories.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1221077/Katie-Piper-Acid-attack-victim-bravely-shows-face-disfigured-boyfriend-Daniel-Lynch.htmlhttp://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2407264.ecehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-11484628http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8002813/Woman-in-acid-attack-threw-the-liquid-at-herself.htmlhttp://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/38981535/ns/today-today_news/t/woman-acid-attack-recounts-agonizing-pain/#.TnJFUx9KVLI
And some more extreme retribution.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8635418/Woman-cuts-off-husbands-penis.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_and_Lorena_Bobbitt
 
Those pesky Americans. Can't ever let any of them into the country again! And they have nuclear weapons. We're pretty sure of that. They sold us some. They're also happy to ship people all over the world to be tortured purely on the basis of their faith or because some Afghan war lord abducted some poor farmer to collect a bounty. Which the Americans were happy to pay. No questions asked. And the UK didn't have a problem with that until OMG you can't keep a massive torture camp a secrete!

I don't like many of the laws in the UK never mind those of foreign countries. But the fact is, western culture is just a screwed up and uncivilised as any other. So please go find a little island and live on your own. Then it really will be "your country".
 
Wouldn't that be just "PHENOMENALLY AWESOME!!!"?

Yeah, total isolationism, then I wouldn't have to listen to your rants... Oh wait... Damn Internet!
 
Debunking an argument or point of view isn't a rant. Or at least it's a valid excuse for a rant when you're right. And I am right.
 
see, this is why I refuse to debate in an intelligent manner. To do so is to invite dissapointment when the other person inevitably fails to agree and indeed lowers the tone of the debate.
 
So should an immigrant who openly calls for the overthrow of your government be allowed in? According to your 'open border' policy they would. How would that be of benefit to the nation accepting them.
 
Most Brits tend to want the government of the day overthrown, so I don't think it makes a right lot of difference whether immigrants join in with us or not.
 
Like I say- we should be able to control crime. And I'm pretty sure overthrowing the government is a crime.
 
No - attempting to overthrow the government would be a crime. Succeeding becomes a 'glorious revolution'. (cf. William and Mary.)

It's the victors who write the history books, don't forget.
 
Attempting to overthrow the government is called campaigning in a democratic society - attempting to overthrow them by force is a crime.
 
Depends on the system of politics. In a democracy we know no government will last indefinitely. So we're aloud to argue our case for an alternative. Which is a bit different from plotting a military take over or some such.

Exploding the houses of parliament for example is not acceptable. Apparently Campaigning for an election and debating new laws is acceptable. Bringing to light irregularities or inventing irregularities is acceptable only if you're wealthy and well connected or supporting such people. Legitimately protesting outside the houses of parliament is not acceptable. You might actually trigger a neuron or two in a politicians brain. Thus endangering their alternative reality matrix.
 
You might be talking LOUDLY whilst typing away at your keyboard, but just so you know, I (or anyone else READING this forum) can't actually hear you.
 
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