Israel Blockades Lebanon

The problem, as I see it, is that everyone is more than happy to see Israel forced to seek peace but few seem willing to forcer it's enemies to seek peace. Yes, the US could drop our support and make Israel be outnumbered 20 to 1 without the financial support to fight with those odds. But who is going to drop the support of Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Quada, etc.?

If we drop our support of Israel, will Israel survive?

Yes the UN wants to press for holding Israel responsible for war crimes? Will they ever press for the trial of a member of Hezebollah?

You suggest they become part of the solution rather than part of the problem. Yet how will they do that? Stop fighting back? We all know what happens when the bully finds someone who won't fight back. The bully continues until someone stops them.

The only peaceful solution that some of Israel's enemies will accept is their complete and total eradication. Nothing less. How does Israel work towards a peaceful resolution of that?
 
If a member of Hezbollah is captured they can be charged with terrorist activity, if an Israeli soldier kills a Lebanese child it gets marked off as collateral damage and the soldier goes on his merry way.
 
While not many Israeli soldiers get charged, how many members of Hezbollah would get charged with terrorist activity by anyone other than Israel? Would it be fairly accurate to say the answer would be none?
 
Well who else is there? Israel are the only other country with a presence.
 
That's just it... Israel doesn't seem to really know. At least we've seen that they are more than willing to kill civilians while looking for Hezbollah. And why shouldn't they... with America on their side they won't ever be held accountable. On that very same note- they will never know peace... ever. For every innocent civilian that they kill... or maybe-Hezbollah militant/supporter they create an exponentional amount of new recruits for Hezbollah and every other organization that wants to get rid of Israel.

In short what they're doing isn't working... not in the slightest.
The current situation is proof positive of that.
 
Israel Won't Rule Out Full-Scale Invasion

http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/ap/2006/07/20/ap2892268.html

watch this space, this is another Israeli land grab happening right now,

I suspect that Israel has been planning this invasion for time, only the presence of Syrian Troops has kept Lebanon safe until now.
 
They elected a party that has a stated goal the destruction of Israel!! the will for peace is not there.




And Israel withdrew from Gaza and was working on the withdrawal from the West Bank. When Israel left Gaza, they left a viable agricultural base, with a number of state-of-the-art greenhouses. The first thing the Palestinians did was destroy everything Israel left behind, including those greenhouses. The second thing they did was to set up more sites to launch rockets into Israel. Those actions have succeeded in moving another sizeable portion of the Israeli electorate futher to the right. After Gaza, do you seriously think that the will is still there to withdraw from the WB?

When the Arab states recognize Israel's right to exist, then everybody can sit down and figure out what the borders should be. The ball is firmly in the Arab's court.
 
Get a grip. Israel is not doing a land grab. If they were trying to get land, they wouldn't be the ones unilaterally trying to give up land.
 
Typical Zionist nonsense, both sides are guilty both sides are at fault, both sides need to change in order for peace, pointing the finger of blame and claiming innocence while continuing to murder civilians is no way forward its just pathetic and childish but unfortunately fatal and murderous.

peace will come when both sides can change take responsibilty and move forward.

now this thread is about the destruction of Lebanon there are other threads for Gaza and the Palestinians.
 
You keep on talking like every Palestinian is responsible for the actions of a few, they are not anymore than every American is responsible for the actions of those Marines in Iraq.
 
I can go with the one I laid out a few times.

Both sides agree to a cease fire and go for the 47/48 plan borders as a starting point for boundaries. Negotiate changes from those boundaries based on the populations actually in the areas today.

Each side agrees to recognize the other and to not attack each other with actual punishments for it's citizens attacking the other side.

The Western powers agree to provide economic stimulus to get the Palestinians up to par.
 
oh so you mean a bit like the deal that was going to be made before Israel started to attack Gaza and Lebanon
 
No, I mean like the way Israel was trying to work towards before they were attacked and they retaliated. (Or did you forget that Israel was retaliating?) Unfortunately, how many western countries seemed willing to tolerate Hamas as the head of Palestine?
 
hmmm...

Don’t know if anyone saw the interview with the Israeli opposition leader by Jon Snow on Channel 4 news, I think it was on Monday or Tuesday. Anyway, the opposition leader was against Israel’s aggression, maybe for political means, but regardless the guy said that the current offensive in Lebanon has been planned for several years and the kidnapping gave them the excuse to execute this. He also mentioned that this offensive was in order to bring about a geopolitical change in Lebanon. Go democracy!
 
Pretty much, however I don't think Israel will accept less than the pre '67 border, and it'll be easier to adjust the border from there. We need to keep Jerusalem, can share it, but we won't move out of it. And I really don't think giving up the Golan from a strategic point of view is feasible.

The borders with Lebanon and Jordan are already settled. The sad part is that is pretty much the jist of what Arafat rejected at Camp David.

Not only would the Western powers provide assistance, but I would be very surprised if Israel and the world Jewry was not at the front of the line to help the Palestinian state become a viable economy.

The ground troops into Lebanon will be as much a land grab as seizing the Sinai was a land grab. Once security is garanteed, Israel will withdraw back to the current border.
 
err... are you Israeli or are you Canadian?
Or is the 'we' some sort of collective Jew thing?
 
CanuckMA, with the abundance of peaceful and friendly relationships Israel seems to be solidifying with its Arab neighbors, I don’t think its gonna be too long before Israel will be the occupied territory.

I think once the US stops giving Israel an annual $ 4 billion defense subsidy, Israel is going to be in deep trouble. So instead of concentrating on keeping Jerusalem, Israel should concentrate on keeping the peace.
 
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