Israel Blockades Lebanon

I'll agree with this statement, if you'll agree that "ceasefire" to Hezbollah means "reload with new weapons from Iran".
 
You're right: you don't get rid of this kind of militia by bombing them. You get rid of them by shooting every one of them in the face and lighting them and everything they own on fire. Anything short of this means you'll have to fight them again tomorrow. Failure to do this is why the US continues to struggle in Iraq. Hopefully, the Israelis will not make the same mistake, however, given their track record with the Palestinians, I'm guessing they'll screw this up too.
 
how about the flyers dropped warning of upcoming bombings? I guess that does not count.
 
Hezbollah is the problem along with Syria and Iran.

Israel continually gives up land for peace. They gave up Souther Lebanon to get peace from Hezbollah but instead Hezbollah spen the last 6 years building up positions to bomb Israel. Now Israel has to do something. Civilans will be killed but rather than let violence continue with nothing being done to stop it, Israel has taken action to stop Hezbollah.
 
oh so rather than kill them they just displace them, which might as well mean the same thing
 
Israel did not give up Southern Lebanon because it wasn't theres in the first place. Thank God Hezbollah did spend that time rearming, otherwise Israel would be able to bomb Lebanon without any reprisals.
 
everytime someone posts a link its going to be biased towards the poster beliefs. DC is not the only person who does that.
 
The claim that it was more "enlightening" was becasue it is biased towards his beliefs though. The credibitily of the information or the insightfulness of it was no better.
 
It took the lands as a buffer because it was being attacked from Souther Lebanon. It gave up the buffer because Hezbollah was going to be disarmed. Hezbollah was rebuilding the whole time. Israel is bombing Southern Lebanon with few reprisals.
 
here is an opinion peace I believe best states my opinion.
I am guessing DC would agree with it. Yes it is biased towards my view. Tough it out and read it.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/07/pacifists_versus_peace.html
 
Easy buddy; Crack can kill.

This has got go be one of the most assinine statements I've heard in a long time. "Thank God Hezbollah did spend that time rearming (in violation of the peace agreement Israel based their pull out of Lebanon on) other wise Israel would be able to bomb Lebanon (which they wouldn't be doing if Hezbollah hadn't killed and kidnapped Israeli soldiers) without any reprisals (against Israeli civilians, which I'm guessing is ok because they're Israelis?)

You've been hanging out with Sanke for too long.
 
I would think you'd expect that because it shows the truth of what happens in that part of the world every day. What I want to believe is that people don't teach their children to hate, don't teach them to be homicide bombers, and don't teach them to kill another human being because they pray differently. What I want to believe is that everyone wants a better life for their children, for them to be more successful, to live and raise children of their own. What I want to believe is that every parent wants their children to have opportunities they didn't have, and not be saddled with the ignorant prejudices of their fathers. But what I want to believe is irrelevant to what is actually going on. What I want to believe is that videos like this are fiction. Unfortunately, I know otherwise.
 
Well, since it wasn't produced by a guy who thinks Pol Pot just got a bum wrap and that Stalin's purges were exaggerated, I would tend to put more credibility into that reporting than I would anything that comes out of Chomsky's mouth. And it's very insightful for understanding the mindset of the people Israel has had to deal with for the last 60 years. How do you negotiate or rationalize with people who are willing to strap a bomb onto their child and send them on to a bus for the express purpose of killing people?
 
Good read. He only kinda touches on it in the begining, but the left has systematically eliminated just about every form of critical thinking in public education. They simply don't teach kids how to disect an argument anymore. I find rather alarming, actually.

By the way, I can tell you what brings peace. It isn't ceasefires, restraint, proportional response, or negotiated settlements. Victory brings peace. I said it before, and I'll say it again: the best way for Israel to ensure a lasting peace is to shoot every member of Hezbollah in the face and light their stuff on fire.
 
1. You cannot eliminate a terror group, if the U.S cannot stop Al Quada or even Iraqi insurgents there is no way Israel could stop Hezbollah , force just doesn't work.

2. What should Israel do? I explained it already.....They should aid Lebanon, so that the LEBANESE government would be in a better position to dictate terms to Hezbollah, while working in Lebanon to improve the popular opinion towards Israel....

Hezbollah does it, they build schools, temples, and hospitals because they know it can build support for them...I fail to understand why Israel doesn't get that.
 
Israel, doesn't have to get it because while it is propped up economically and politically by the US, it can do what the hell it likes.

For the Israel appreciation society in this thread, have you ever spent any time with Israelis?

I'll let some Jewish accademics elucidate on 'Jewishness'.

"Israeli political culture," says Israeli professor Myron Aronoff, "reflects not only the general theme of the few against the many, but a growing emphasis of 'them against us' ... The traditional concept of Esau hates Jacob [Gentiles hate Jews] and a nation that dwells alone became explanations of reality and legitimization of Israeli policy."

As former lobbyist for Israel Doug Bloomfield once noted, some Israelis tend to have a "You owe us" and "Screw the world" attitudes. Zev Chafets remembers an Israeli concert he attended in 1969, two years after he moved to Israel from America: "As the show drew to a close, the group swung into an up-temp number. 'Ha'olam Ku'lo heg'denu,' they sang. 'The whole world is against us.' The audience knew the song and joined in on the chorus ... [:] 'The whole world is against us; never mind, we'll get by; we don't give a damn about them anyway.'"

"The deliberate and unadorned frankness [of Israelis]," notes Zionist historian Melvin Urofsky, "so highly prized by Israelis, scornful of Westernized and 'assimilated' manners, struck [Jewish] Americans [who sought to live in Israel], accustomed to some courtesies in life, as downright rude. (As late as 1965, a study of bureaucratic behavior in one large Israeli enterprise disclosed that 60 per cent of officials in contact with the public did not believe in greeting a visitor, nor would they reply to his greeting; an even higher percentage would not offer him a chair, simply letting him stand during the interview.)
 
you dont give a damn about the Lebanese, so why should I give a damn about the Israelis.
 
"Since 1967, we have been brutal conquerors, occupiers, suppressing another people. We simply don't view the Palestinians as human beings." -- Haim Yavin, speaking in his five-part documentary, "Land of the Settlers", a devastating critique of Israel's 38-year long occupation.

I think this thread has certainly succeeded in highlighting many Americans blind support of Israel.

Why?

Because Jewish influence and wealth in the US is overwhelmingly disproportionate to the numbers of Jewish Americans.

2% of Americans are 'ethnic Jews'.

But they hold

10% of seats in the senate.

40% of America's top media moghuls are Jewish Americans.

They are by far the highest earning ethnic group in the US.

They have by far the greatest amount of organised(wealthy) political lobbyists in the US-Often known as 'The Jewish Lobby" in the states.

Seems to be a case of the tail wagging the dog



God Bless America
 
Hezbollah can get support by helping the people because the people don't already hate them and most even like what they are doing before they begin. Israel can't because instead of liking them, most already hate or at least dislike them and they don't want them to exist. The hard line ones view that the land has to be returned to Muslim control. Nothing will change that. No amount of Israel giving them everything they want will alter it.
 
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