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Not even close. And those quotations are entirely out of context. The Talmud is a very large, extremely complex book of rulings and arguments on Torah Law. Both sides of the debate are presented. Very often, those quotations are from the minority opinion and not what Tlamud realy says.
 
None of the Jews I know has such a belief. No part of Talmud is incorporated into Israeli Law.



Enterily false. Yes Jewishness is passed through the mother, it it also confered by conversion. Imagine that, we have a way of determining if a person is Jewish or not. How foul. We are not fixed with racial purity. Like any minority, we would prefer to not lose our children to other groups. I have many friends whose parents would be hottified if they married outside the faith and/or the ethnic group. That does not make them racist.
 
If thats not racist then what is? If a white girls family objected to their daughter marrying a black guy there would be a massive outcry, how is this any different?
 
No there wouldn't. Few white families wouldn't entertain second thoughts of their daughter marrying an African American. The same would happen if the girl was marrying an asian, or an arab, or a Martian. Additionally, there's even greater backlash in the African American community, especially among the female members of the family when a black guy marries a white girl. Growing up, one of my best friends was Korean. He could bring home any kind of girl as long as she wasn't Japanese. The bottom line is, it's very natural for us as a species to want our offspring to stick with similar members of our own kind. It's not very enlightened, but it's not discriminatorily racist either. Being in an inter-racial marriage myself, (my wife is full-blooded native american) I know a little about this stuff and the sociological reasons people do a double take about it. If you want to really get into cultural racism, check out what the Shar'ia says about Muslims marrying non-Muslim women and what that woman is subject to after the marriage.
 
Because skin colour does not come into play. We come in all races. BUt there often is outcry from the family when marrying outside the faith. It's even more pronounced when you are a tiny minority. There is nothing racist in wanting your kids to carry on your heritage.
 
Racism isn't about skin color....

It may be natural to want your children to carry on their heritage, but it is a tad racist to discriminate by race.

Especially when a single race/people is singled out and discriminated against.
 
And where is the discrimination???

We strongly encourage our children to marry other Jews. If you find that racist, then you have no clue what racism is all about.
 
When an Israeli citizen marries a Palestinean, the Palestinean does not gain any citizenship rights.

This does not occur if the citizen marries someone of a different ethnic background, like a European or American.

And yes, strongly encouraging marriage within the race is indicative of racism.
 
Totally agree.
In fact, it is turning world opinion against them. I'm going to think twice about buying a Jaffa orange next time I make my choice at the supermarket.
 
Any svereign country has the right to detremine it's own rules for citizenship. Not granting citizenship to people with whom you are at war for your very survival is not racism.

One more tme, we are not a race. If Catholic tell their children that they would like them to marry another Catholic, you think that's racism? Man, get a clue.
 
But to be honest, would you have bought a Jaffa orange in the past? Would you have ever thought about it supporting Israel with your purchase and if you had would you have bought it? And btw, isn't Jaffa a Palestinian city even though it is currently under Israeli military control since the war of 48?
 
Any sovereign nation does have the right to determine citizenship rights. However it is discriminatory to single out a ethnic/racial/nationality group, is Israel at war with every Palestinean?

How can you be at war with an ethnic/racial/nationality group and say that it is not discriminatory.

As to not being a race, that is debateable. However Israel certainly thinks so, look at their Law of Return/Nationality Rights. Anyone with a Jewish grandparent is given automatic citizenship, which most certainly implies being Jewish is passed down through your genes and as such there is a "Jewish" race.

But lets pretend there is no race, or even the belief that there is a race.

If it is based solely on religion, that is still discriminatory. The only difference between not marrying a Christian solely on their religion and not hiring a Christian solely on their religion is that marriage is a personal issue.
 
We are at war with the Arab/Muslims surrounding us. If an American mattied a German or Japanese citizen during WWII, the US would not have granted them citizenship.

Marriage does not confer automatic citizenship anywhere.



NOT a race. The Law of Return gives citizenship, but not Jewish status if as little as 1 grandparent is Jewish. That is to give refuge to people who are singled out like in Nazi Germany. Yes, if one's mother is Jewish, you are Jewish. However you can also convert from another religion and become Jewish. Can't think of the last time a white guy became black.



And me wanting my kids to marry a Jew is solely a personnal issue. I'd have no problem if the person was a convert. I would just prefer my grandchildren being raised as Jews.
 
NO it wasn't. And it is not illegal anywhere for a Jew to marry a non-Jew.
 
Hmmm... but from what you've said about it being strongly frowned upon by the culture... then it is basically tantamount to being illegal as it's socio-culturally taboo. Often it's the socio-cultural elements that dictate peoples decisions more readily than legal elements.

Why is it that the Jews frown on marriage to non-Jews sooooo much?

I'd heard it said that they were afraid that after WWII that Jewish culture might become extinct if there was intermarriage. I don't quite buy that... and it hasn't exactly turned out like that either. What's your take?

Surely they aren't afraid that their culture is not strong enough to hold up to intermarriage.
 
The law does not restrict citizenship rights between an Israeli citizen and any other race/ethnic/nationality group aside from the Palestineans.

That is very clearly discriminatory, what if the U.S decided that Canadians could become citizens but not Mexicans?

There would be a worldwide outcry that this is discrimination, because it would be.
 
But you've already stated that prohobiting marriage based on religion is'nt racist , and is ok within that community , so for a nation to pass a law as such is only realy a very small step.
Indeed if you take this theory to its ultimate conclusion you won't end up very far away from the concentration camps.
 
It is frowned upon sure, but not illegal. It's done all the time.

You have to understand that Jewish culture and Judaism are intertwined in ways that a lot of non-Jews have a hard time understanding. When a Jew marries a Christian, and raise their children Christians, all the bagels in the world will not give them Jewish culture. And being Jewish is a lot more than a 'culture'. Put it this way, you can be British and (insert religion here). You can't be Jewish and another religion, not in that 'cultural' sense. And when there are only 15 million of you on the planet, yes retaining our kids within the group does matter.
 
It's not prohibited. From a religious stand point, it can't be done. No more than a Catholic and a non-Catholic can have a Catholic wedding. Within the community, it's frowned upon, it's actively discouraged, the non-jew in a relationship will be encouraged to convert, but at the end of the day, you can marry anybody you want.

And such a law would not pass in Israel. And yes it is quite leap from discouraging intermarriage to the active genocide of a people.
 
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