Israel Blockades Lebanon

Hitler was not about protecting his country. He was about hatred against anyone that he felt was inferior, especially Jews. You are attempting to rewrite history. You wouldn't happen to be attending lectures from Ward Churchill?




I think we should all start calling you nuke boy.

Israel has not used nukes or nerve gas. Why are you constantly trying to insinuate it?



I am pretty sure that the UN you idolize called Hezbollah terrorists long before that too. I am also pretty sure there were some UN resolutions against Saddam well before the Iraq war too.
 
You have got to be kidding, it is one of the most powerful lobbies in the U.S
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html



I already stated I misused the word massive. However I also pointed out there are more Jews in the United States than in Israel and that they certainly have an effect on our policies.



We don't need an ally there, what do they provide us with? Intelligence on enemies we have because of our support for them?




Are you kidding? Due to the U.S support for Israel, arms companies make billions every year.

You really think they wouldn't mind if their money well suddenly dried up?




We don't have any reason, but we still do.
 
He was about protecting his society, his nation, and his people. He hated Jews because he felt they were a threat to those. He was wrong, and crazy, but he thought he was correct and following DC's logic as long as he only killed non-citizens then it is all good.



I am not, I am not even arguing against Israel. I am arguing against DC's opinion that a country has every right to defend itself by any means necessary, those means not excluding nukes, nerve gas, biological warfare etc... as long as only non citizens were killed.



Yes, I never said they had did not...

I also never said there were no U.N resolutions against Iraq prior to the war...
 
It is every country's responsibility to protect it's own. We don't tell them to kill the hostages. We try to save the hostages. Wouldn't you agree our negotiators job is to save the hostages, not the bank robbers?



Israel is not using death camps. What is your fascination with trying to insinuate that because Israel defends it's self they would act as bad as the groups you are supporting?




Only the reason for some to hate is because they don't like the way a person looks, they are different, they make them feel inferior, they worship a different god, etc.




And you think that they will ever feel differently?



No one else thought he was being serious. The first time I mentioned it, you said it was only in response to firecoins. That implies he brought it up first.
 
It is every humans responsiblity to defend the innocent....




Once again, I am not saying that. These comments were made directly against DC not against Israel.

He believes as long as the only victims are non-citizens, it doesn't matter.

As long as Hitler hadn't killed citizens, then DC would support his way of fightign the war.



Yes...that is still a reaction.




I think opinions change, and that it would be better to try and change their minds as opposed to simply trying to killing everyone...



Who exactly is "no one else"?

It was a debate between firecoins and I, and you are the only other person commenting on it.

Me saying it was a response to a comment by firecoins does not imply he brought it up first, only that I was responding to ac omment from him...

I still think he was/is serious, especially after reading his follow up aguments that it would not only be a good idea but that a lot of Israeli's would support it.
 
We do know that the fighting was happening at that time that rockets were being fired from that area against Israel.



Grow up. For your reading challenged self, I didn't say that you said they would not stop. I said that on my own.

The only hope that Israel has is to hurt it's enemies bad enough that they won't want to fight anymore. Like when the bully keeps picking on someone until they break the nose of the bully.
 
Because they had no legal basis....

There was no UN resolution, no Security Council resolution, members of the U.N Secuirty Council have called them illegal(China, Russia.

In other words, there was no legal justification for the NFZ's...
 
What evidence do you have that at the time of the Israel bombing(that kileld the observers) Hezbollah was active in the area?



Really, sure looks like you think I did. In fact, you say I "admitted" they would not stop....





Except Hezbollah has proven they will not back down when their nose gets bloodied, in fact they view dieing for the cause as a gift from God...

How do you frighten someone with force when they believe dying for the cause is the highest honor?

Answer- You cannot
 
You want to compare them to the NRA or labor unions?



I think it is safe to say that Israel has a higher percentage of Jews than the U.S., wouldn't you? We also have a larger Chaldean Christian population than Iraq, but do you think the Chaldeans have a huge impact on us? No.

Does the Jewish population have an impact on our policies? Sure. Is it to the extreme that you and Gajah think? No.




You're right. We don't any allies in the area of the largest production of one of the most valuable resources in the world.



You really think that if Israel didn't exist, there would be no one for the arms companies to sell weapons too? What percentage of the last hundred years was there no wars or the buildup from either having completed a war or preparing for another war?




I don't. I bet you don't.
 
Do you have sources that say he felt they were a threat? Not his propoganda. We all know that he claimed to be christian and yet wanted to eliminate them too. I don't think he really thought of them as a threat. I think he lived to hate.

Hitler and the nazis are a sore subject for me. I am very biased on the issue. My mom's family had people imprisoned and killed because of their opposition to the nazis and hitler. The posts that keep trying to reference the Jews as Nazis is particularly offensive to me.




The more one person goes to the extreme, the more those on the other side go to the extreme. Talking about weapons of mass destruction and insinuating that Israel is using or likely to use them, only gets an extreme response back. The same with Sankaku's and Gajah's constant Zionazi and Israeli Terror Troopers. It is a desire to rile the other person up and get an emotional response instead of discussing the issue.





It seemed that you were implying that both were untrue.
 
Would that not also apply to Hezbollah and Hamas? Would that not apply to the rest of the world while they took no actions against suicide bombers, rocket attacks, wars against Israel?





I think you are taking his statements to an extreme that he did not say nor intend.

Perhaps we should ask him whether he feels that a nuclear attack or nerve gas should be used against a foreign country when they attack one person in your country? What do you say Dcombatives?

Regardless of his stance, I doubt that you will find many people saying to use a nuke or nerve gas.




If it is a reaction, it implies that they did something to you first. The fact that they pray to a different god or look different is not something they did to you. Thus they really aren't reactions.





Opinions can be changed, but it takes a lot of time and effort. Israel has made efforts to change people's opinions to a more friendly tone by giving up land. Her enemies are regularly making efforts to change people's opinion of Israel in a negative sense.



The fact that you are the only person that has mentioned you thought he was serious and I am not the only one that mentioned that he was being sarcastic?

I am going to drop it as it really is just a distraction to the discussion.
 
The news reports about the phone calls.



You got me. My mistake.



How do you stop someone with negotiations who is more than willing to die for their cause of eradicating you, has shown repeatedly they will violate the law to try and kill you, believes that God demands that they destroy you and that you are an enemy of god, and views that their actions of killing you or dying in the process earns them heaven?
 
Newlearner, you and Apotheosis should stop this 1,000+ post flirting and do the deed already.
 
Really?

As Jewish author and political science professor, Benjamin Ginsberg, has pointed out:



Or how about a more military perspective?

Admiral Thomas Moorer, former Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, has spoken with blunt exasperation about the Jewish-Israeli hold on the United States:



Interesting stuff regarding 'the Holocaust Industry'.



And my own personal favouite fron the Frenchies
 
Lol, if jews are only 2% of the american nation, and still make half of the billionares maybe muslims should see it as a sign from allah that they chose the wrong religion??

(either that, or it shows that reliance on statistics is a fool's belief)
 
The website of the Jewish lobby

http://www.aipac.org/

All you pro-Israelis can dig deep & donate to 'the cause' if you like

Articles on the Jewish lobby.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIPAC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIPAC_espionage_scandal

http://www.webcom.com/hrin/magazine/israellobby.html

http://www.alternet.org/story/39679/

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-op-goldberg26mar26,1,301596.story?coll=la-news-comment&ctrack=1&cset=true

AIPAC The tail that wags the dog
 
How curious that you selected only the Israeli sections of the UN report to post as "proof", yet completely ignored the more numerous and far more serious instances of Lebanese, Hezbollah, and Palestinian breaches of the Blue line. You cite Israel's construction of the technical fence crossing the Blue Line, yet fail to mention Hezbollah's repeated firing of rockets across the line into Israel. You also fail to recount how on several occasions, Hezbollah restricted UNFIL's movements, actually interfering with their redeployment. I'm glad you posted the link as at least the UN report is far more balanced than you.
 
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