Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

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chickidy

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Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

Constitutionally perhaps not - but he does professionally and if he does not act wil be facing neglect of duty charges

That said, oldshadow is correct in so far as an individual is always theie own first line of defense either reactively or proactively
 
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jpod523

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Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

Yep. No one is going to train to be a fighting machine and stand around waiting for someone to protect them in a brawl
 
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KMN

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Regardless of where you stand on the 2nd Amendment/gun control debate, this is an INCREDIBLY interesting and well-written article about the history of the AR-15 on the American civilian market. It's written by a tech magazine, not an established partisan force on either side of the gun debate.

Wired: The AR-15 is more than a gun. It's a gadget.
 
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ThomasR

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Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

Comparing the ownership of a fire extinguisher to gun ownership is a good comparison? No it's not and you haven't stated why it is.
 
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AlexisInfectious®

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Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

They are both tools to allow the individual to better carry out their responsibly of first response.

Neither firemen nor the police follow you around to respond and protect you in case they are needed.

Both tools allow you to respond to save your life or the life’s of others until professional help arrives.

If you have a fire and the fire department cannot get there until you or a family member is injured or killed you cannot sue. It is the same with the police.
 
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Rav

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Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

Probably not a good analogy - If you have a fire that necessitates the FD to attend you had better be tipping your ass out of the door in short order because the first advice they give is not "tackle it" it is "run"
 
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roniepao

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This. Neither is a complete replacement for professional emergency services or intended to be one; some times you need a pumper truck or a SWAT team. But both allow you to nip a problem in the bud before it becomes a much bigger problem while waiting 10 minutes (or 45 minutes, or whatever it is in your locale) for professionals to respond. You can stop a kitchen fire while it's still a kitchen fire, instead of letting it spread for ten minutes into a full-blown house fire while you're waiting. You can stop a home invader while it's still a home invasion, before it turns into a triple homicide.
 
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OMGtWhatAQuestiont

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Depending on the size of the fire as I have put out a few fires in my home (the wife with candles) and an auto fire or two with no help from the fire department.

However its handy if your need to beat back the fire enough to get you and your family out of harm’s way until professional help arrived. You don’t try and put out the whole fire you just contain it enough to be as safe as you can and get out until help arrives.

The same with a gun and someone assaults you with a weapon you use a gun to stop the threat but you don’t investigate the crime and write the report and you don’t go out looking to find the guy that got away. We pay professionals for that.
 
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martynorw

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Weapons ARE tools. Just one subcategory of "tool." They're inanimate objects used by people to accomplish tasks, just like any other tool. Whether you're pounding a nail, sawing wood, hunting for dinner, or fighting off a home invasion, if you're not using your bare hands, you're using a tool.
 
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PatrickQ

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By that definition almost anything is a tool to the point where the definition becomes pointless. A gun is not a tool in the same sense as a fire extinguisher.

By that definition your phone is a tool as is your PC, your TV, clothes, shoes, glasses, fridge, cooker, pots, pans, coffee table and even your house. But yet we rarely or even never refer to these items as "tools". To make a point of equating guns to objects we would normally reserve the classification of "tool", is to try to give guns a veneer of innocence and benign nature they simply have never had. It's nothing more than a distraction from the truth.
 
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Tink22

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^yes your phone is a tool

You text and drive , crash and die, you just died misusing a tool( TWO REALLY, A CAR AND PHONE).
 
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kaede

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Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"

The whole "what does tool mean" is a semantic side-issue. We all agree on the following:

(1) guns are inanimate objects with no mind of their own;
(2) there are situations in which their use is ethical;
(3) on the other hand, they can be used to kill innocent people.

Whether or not that falls within your definition of "tool," or whether you reserve that for wrenches and plyers, is irrelevant.

Anyway, getting away from that, I think there's an interesting oddity going on right now. Gun restriction advocates are pushing very hard against so-called military-style weapons, and on the other hand, gun control leaders are holding up shotguns as the epitome of legitimate firearms ownership, with VP Joe Biden saying in an interview "Get a shotgun. Get a shotgun" when asked about civilian self-defense and home defense.

Don't these people remember where pump-action shotguns came from? The Winchester 1897, designed by John Moses Browning, was used by US forces in the Philippine-American War, World War I, World War II, Korean War, and the Vietnam War. In WWI it was called a "trench broom" (the 1918 nickname equivalent of "street sweeper"), and the German military sought unsuccessfully to have its use banned as a war crime, and later threatened to execute any US soldier captured carrying one.

http://www.guns.com/2013/02/26/1897-winchester-trench-gun/

My Browning BPS is not all that different from this "trench broom" except for having a longer barrel (and many civilian shotguns have 20" barrels like the Winchester 1897). So when I'm hearing in one ear that "military-style guns" are bad but that "shotguns" are good, I really don't know what Biden is actually pushing for, and what policy reasons can support both positions simultaneously.

The Winchester 1897 in WWII:
 
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KerryC

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Some guns were designed to kill elk.
Some guns were designed to kill ducks.
Some guns were designed to kill criminals attacking the owner.
Some guns were designed to kill enemy soldiers attacking the owner.

To my knowledge, there's not a single gun on the market that specifically was designed to kill children, or to kill innocent people. So ANY gun is being misused when it's being used to kill innocent people or children.

And if you're not a vegetarian or a Jainist, then you must agree that killing is not inherently wrongful regardless of the circumstances. It depends on the circumstances.
 
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