Margaret Thatcher has died

[liva]

Will be happy to. Can you provide me with start date of employment and salary details over the years?

Edit- sorry. You are asking me for advice for a person now in his 50's who left themselves in a seemingly hopeless position?

 

[MichN]

What part of full time worker with a family don't you understand? What's the guy suppose to have done, trained as an architect in his spare hour between getting home from work, seeing to the kids and going to bed?

You're advice sounds like the kind of stuff relevant to a 25 year old estate agent who lives on his own; to a guy trying to feed the house and be a dad and husband at the same time it's naive at best and utterly moronic at all other stations.

 

[aj_foxrider350]

I was trying to clarify if he was looking for advice for a person in a reflective position- what could have they done differently during the years, or advice for now, after they have lived those years. I don't think the question was that stupid.

Truth is either answer will require a much more in depth response than a forum filled with folk who throw around words like moronic with such whim. In fact I imagine pints would be required.

 

[helloiloveyou222]

We could all do a lot of things. I COULD become an astronaut but it's not very likely.

A coal-miner trying to support a family does not occupy the same socio-economic space as an inner-city yuppie.

If you'd prefer your words minced... it's a doo-lally, pants-on-head backwards way of approaching the scenario. It's like asking victims of the Japanese Tsunami why they didn't build their houses further in-land. It's the wrong focus, neither group was in a position to consider or reasonably act to avoid what happened. Could they of hypothetically done something? Probably. Is there fault that they didn't? Considering the conditions, no. Then is it worth asking the question "Why didn't they do X?"? Obviously not.

The family man was too busy being a family man and keeping on top of his work to consider "Diversifying his Business Portfolio".

 

[RF1992]

The world keeps turning. Things will be thrown in your way, indeed some might say that their path is forever strewn with cow pats from the devils own satanic herd.

Now we go back to square one.

Do we blame the world for making life so tough, or do we blame our own inability to navigate that world?

 

[PinkTote]

So what was Nagasaki? 60, 000 Japanese dudes "failing to navigate"?

There is a time and place for an internal locus of control; in this case it is just empty rhetoric.

 

[ATL]

I've been there, have you? Some folk there are succeeding some folk there are blaming the past. Some of them aren't looking that far back to blame the past.

 

[outofsight01]

You should take that quote and then stick it in-front of a picture of a serene lake. Facebook loves that kind of stuff; unfortunately when discussing economic consequences of Thatcher-ism it has relatively little use.

 

[johnny85940]

Thanks for the advice.

 

[KoquiC]

Giacomo's Diversify his portfolio and serene lake comments made me laugh, that might not be adding much to the economic arguments agains thatcherisim but its true !

 

[dyp]

In the meantime a large influx of Eastern Europeans came in and couldn't find any work either ?

The Polish community came in and took many manual jobs for example. I've seen a lot of this in London. It begs the question of how this is a realistic situation to have happened if people really had no choice but to be parked on benefits as you describe.

I think what might also be a factor is that these immigrants, like my own that came to this country and took to manual work to get established, are just hungrier and more competitive to make a better life for themselves.

I've heard many people bemoan the fact of the immigration we have seen to these shores over the past 10 years in particular from the EU due to freer movement. I'm not taking sides on that, but I do find it interesting that many of these immigrants can take to life here, work hard and establish an economic base. Yet at the same time people from our own communities apparently had little choice but to be parked on benefits.

It makes you wonder what if that benefit "park" wasn't so comfy, which it obviously isn't back home for the thousands that come to the UK looking for work and a better life. Whether that comes from our job market or benefits system, or a mix of both.

 

[ZachTheRiffer]

This thread should be renamed "Margaret Thatcher has died: bring your broad painting brush for painting generalizations about working class people. They're all bums"

 

[SueC]

It's also made me realise there are even more people on MAP I've not only no time for but worrying might enjoy hurting a lot.

Simon Cowell and Dana White should get together for a TUF/BGT class struggle punch up, mashup, Gladiator without the silly padding, with Frankies 'Two Tribes' as soundtrack just to keep it on topic 80s feel, real deal

 

[JoyT]

Ah, you mean it's a thread for English republicans! Stupid, lazy workers. Always looking for a handout!

 

[cfoster001]

Exactly! Why should anyone be upset that they have to revert back to living in poverty in their own country because companies can hire cheap labor (illegal in the U.S.)? Who cares if it's going to waste the backs of an entire generation just for those people to make middle class . . . . they should have saved or be part of a very small minority of people who are capable of making any situation good.

I don't understand how "labor," and "working class" find themselves in the same sentences as the words "lazy" and "stupid" all the time.

 

[Andrew^]

I think something that matt is missing here is realising that one reason he can "make something of himself", wear a suit, meet with CEO's and make himself a good life is because there are 1000's of people that aren't doing that.
Either through lack of opportunity, lack of talent or plain laziness or lack of will (something he seems to think accounts for most of them).
You can't wear a suit, meet with CEO's etc without all the other people cleaning your toilets, catering to staff, manufacturing things to sell etc.
You can't climb to the top of the tree if there is no tree to climb.

We can't all be suit wearing CEO meeting financial geniuses and in fact, the world wouldn't work if we all were.
By no means am I disregarding matt's move through life and success but to use that as a reason to look down on a miner that has spent most of his life as a miner and was shafted by Thatcherism is ridiculous.

 

[fadis]

That's a nice choice. Either work for ever increasing hours for less money or die.
It's like tesco have taken over the government. Oh hold on!

 

[Novella]

But in this case it wasn't just "the rich" getting access to this liquidity. At the beginning of the Eighties 50% of the population owned their home. By the end of Thatchers decade that rose to 67%. They can't all have possibly been "the rich", yet they all had the same opportunity in regards to increasing asset wealth which in turn gives rise to this liquidity.

 

[EliJelli]

Millwall fans rioting, Maggie dividing the nation, nuclear war threatened and Catchphrase on TV.

Have I just had a really vivid dream?

 

[lukek]

There are always corrections in markets. If you look at the long term in housing it's just one up trend with some retracements (corrections). Which is not that different to the stock market. We have had some serious bear markets, I know that. But Have you seen the housing market or stock market ever really go bust?

Check the FTSE100 chart and the UK house price chart. Neither have ever really gone "bust".

We do have bubbles, and that's what booms always tend to turn into. This is really just market psychology at work. Inevitably this often leads to sharp corrections.

That's not to say we don't have "bull" and "bear" cycles, and certainly there are dangers to any market that could cause serious erosion. But historically the tendency has been to come back over time.



We didn't get them as a "tax scheme", but it was the best way my business partner could use his pension when we invested in our commercial property (which we occupy). So now we have these.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-invested_personal_pension