Palestenian-Israeli Conflict

Zionism predated the Holocaust by many years.

There were Jewish minorities in almost every Middle Eastern country, living in harmony with their Arab neighbours. The Arabs only turned on them and drove them out after the establishment of the state of Israel.
 
Allright, I lloked into this a little more and found a few things that where interesting:

Jewish Population of Palestine before 1948 eviction was 44,000 so not really that many people.

The other thing that I found that was interesting was the Irgun, apparently the Brittish dd not originally want to surrender the territory of Palestine to the jewish people but wanted it to be an International area open to anyone.

The Brittish foreign minister then gave the head of the Zionist movement the idea that they would give them the territory in a series of letters around 1920 but when it became clear that they didn't want to do this an Israeli terrorist group called the Irgun came into existence that bombed the Brittish?

Edit: I don't know how much of an effect the Irgun had on the decision to create the state of Israel but it seems that it was to a large extent assimilated into the Israeli defence force.
 
Some Israeli politician coined the phrase 'No peace without security' but I don't believe that Israel will ever have security without peace.

I don't study the situation as closely as some people here clearly do, so I am ready to be corrected here, but my feeling is that the election of Hamas can provide a great opportunity for peace.

As long as they were the main power on 'the street', but outside the government, then they could scupper anything which the Palestinian Authority did. But now that they run the PA, they have to act like statesmen. And either they play ball with Israel, the USA, etc, or else they look like the bad guys. And for all the rhetoric, they want the approval of the USA, UK, etc. almost as much as Israel does.

Although the USA will still basically support Israel, I don't think they are prepared to keep giving them a blank cheque. It seems to me like they want to see some movement from both sides. And ultimately, they are the power-broker in the middle east. So if they are prepared to put enough pressure on Israel then Israel will have to talk to Hamas.

So it's not going to be easy, as their is clearly massive mistrust on both sides, and there are clearly people on both sides who would happily sabotage any attempts at peace to further their own political ends. But if Israel and Hamas can sit down and talk, and keep talking, then I feel there is a better chance of delivering peace than there has been for a number of years.
 
That's rich.
Care to explain how you figure the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is anywhere near Hitlers ilk?

I fail to find the link either in deed or in word.

Please enlighten us.
 
Both were from Modest Background
Both were elected democratically on promises to improve their countries economies and to help the poorest in society.
Both were/are charismatic Public Speakers
Both were/are extreme racists (both to Jews)
Both were/are hostile to differing Political ideals (Hitler to Communism, Ahmadinejad to Western Politics)
Both were/are considered volatile/dangerous by Neighbouring Countries.
Both broke international law with regards military capabilities (Hitler with regards its agreed Military size, Ahmadinejad with regards Nuclear activites)
Both ignored international protests against their actions.


Thats what I've got off hand, theres probably more similarities, but I'll leave that for now.
 
Please say your joking.
That is the most pathetic comparison that I've ever seen on MAP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_law
 
yeah I get the picture, both had arms and legs, both wore pants etc.
 
I've just ran a google on it and apparently I'm not the first by a long shot to make the comparison, although I will admit that I'm not overly keen on being accused of being on the same wavelength as some of those people.
 
And in keeping with the general theme of the thread, both have a stated goal of wiping Jews of the face of he earth.
 
i rarely watch the news, its just too depressing,

if you have a credible link where president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad calls for all Jews to be Wiped of the face of the earth please post it.
 
He has held press conferences to say that he wants to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. He denied the holocaust in another speech. He seems like a regular lunatic except hes building nukes. He regularly makes threats against the US.

This thread was broken off of the Pentagon thread. Israel came up because someone accused Isreal of being behind 9/11. Anyone care to provide evidence?

Israel exists. Being a Jew I predictablly support their existance. Most Palestinans want peace as do most Israelis. That will not happen with Hamas not recognizing Israel.
 
What!?

Both were from Modest Background - So?
Both were elected democratically on promises to improve their countries economies and to help the poorest in society - Bush, Blair et al.
Both were/are charismatic Public Speakers - Blair
Both were/are hostile to differing Political ideals - Bush and Blair
Both were/are considered volatile/dangerous by Neighbouring Countries - Israel, India, Pakistan, North Korea...
Both broke international law with regards military capabilities - Israel, India, Pakistan, North Korea...
Both ignored international protests against their actions - Bush and Blair

I'll conceed the the extreme racist point.
 
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