Palestenian-Israeli Conflict

Newlearner - please do stop. Your 'discussion' ain't exactly rocket science.



I dunno? Why. Maybe you could stop posting.



I tried to explain to you that culture/religion were not mutually exclusive to the land issue of the Israel problem. A relatively substantial issue that you seem to recognize when it benefits your position but casually look past when it doesn't suit you.


Get real. Did you bother to actually comprehend anything that was posted. If you did then you wouldn't be posting silly questions like that one now would you? Really... get over it.



Again - pure rubbish. You're using assumptions to back up your arguement. Which gives you not a leg to stand on. Oh how generous of the Palestinians. They will offer to give back a portion of the land their occupying and even help the poor Palestinians develop it. Wow... how generous of them



Go back and read. That's your implication throughout your posts. That it's not an issue of land. That the primary issue is one of religion and culture. Who are you kidding. The issues or religion and culture are inseperable with the land issue. The land issue be the dominant factor and thus the island-in-Pacific-anaology. How hard is it to understand that if Israel wasn't occupying Palestinian land that they probably wouldn't have such massive problems with groups like Hamas. So keep your hints and use your mental powers to understand that tid bit.




Again, if the Isreali's were not occupying Palestinian land then there simply wouldn't be the vast majority of the problems for them that come out of Palestinian extremist groups now would there? No.
So the land issue is really the central underlying issues that pervades all discussion abour Israel. Whether you like it or you choose to ignore it for the sake of your arguement/stance... doesn't make it any less real.



You seem to not understand that all Muslims do not belong to the same sect. One militant muslim with a warped interpetation of the Koran doesn't speak for all Muslims everywhere. Chances are he doesn't even speak for all Muslims that are members of his sect. It's not as if he makes a declaration and then all of his sect members run out to do his bidding. In your attempt so shore up your stance you have only exhibited your ignorance of the Muslim world. I suggest you actually spend some time around Muslims you might be be surprised as the only thing that most of them will kill you with is hospitality.



Again (sigh) there are so many sects of Islam that it takes a librarian to sort them all out.. but the way you have it figured some extremist cleric calls for the death of a Christian and now every Muslim is out to get Christians or Israeli's or whoever... puhleeze.


LIke I said you're free to stop posting at any time. No cleric anywhere has made a decree that you must post. If you don't like what I'm saying then ignore them - I'm not that fussed. Live up to your namesake and go learn something new. Perhaps something about Muslims besides your preconcieved notions that seem so covenient to your stance on the issue of Israel occupying Palestinian land.



Your entire tone seems to be one of how bad Islam is and how much the Palestinians are ungrateful to the Israeli's becuase they refuse to accept any offer of peace from Israel. Wow imagine that. Someone comes in an occupys your land and then offers you a bit of it and to help develop it. Well call me silly... I have no idea why the Palestinians are not falling all over themselves to accept that beautiful offer. Ppppfffttt!



Pull your head out.
Whether or not Israel is more developed now than it was in '45 is of precious little difference. If someone moved into your house illegaly without your consent and through force and the claimed it was theirs rightfully because they remodelled it and put a garden in the backyard... how far do you think that would wash with you or anyone else in terms of who is the rightful owner? LOL! Yes, stupidity is easy to ignore.




Yes so once again if you can't figue out why your reasoning behind Israels right to retain occupied land is assnine then you too are also free to stop posting.



Puhleeze do stop with the assumptions and with dramatics. All it does is sign you up for a weeny roasting that you will not like. Go back and read I've posted... try to understand it. If you can't or won't then no one is forcing you to hit the 'submit reply' button. Comprende?





We are not talking about other 'hot spots' in the world though are we. We are talking about Israel occupying Palestinian land and then treating Palestinians like second class citizens. You seem to have a hard enough time dealing with the issue that muslims are not all murderous robots controlled by one single crackpot cleric - how on earth would you be able to deal with contrasting or comparing this situation to others?



Is your keyboard broken? Once again... your not big and your not clever. Feel free to pull your clownshoe out of your cakehole at any time. Alternatively you can simply stop posting.


Wrong again genius. My position is that they are clearly preceded by the land issue. Please go back and read again.





Who gives a rats ass what the Saudi's do. Go start a thread about the Saudi's where you can whine and cry all you want. It really isn't germain to the Israeli/Palestinian issue. Oh that's right... the Saudi's are the major backing force behind the Palestinians right? They contribute the majority of the money to Hamas right? They stand to benefit the most from having Palestinians given their land back right?

BWHAHAHAHAA!!!!

Please stop with your truly amazing mental prowess.
It's simply shocking.




Still trying to be big and clever eh?
Sorry but you'll have to do better than that. You're grasping at straws with your attempts to suck in everything to support your pro Israeli stance. Because you can type it doesn't neccessarily make it so.

So once again is that you're just looking for an argument or you really are that daft?
 
So what peace to both Israel and the Palestinians.

For Israel:

An end to suicide bombings

For the actual Palestinan people:

economic freedom

the ability to move around

For Hamas and their supporters:

the complete and utter destruction of Israel
 
Slip, my posts may not be rocket science but at least I can stay with a thread unlike yourself. You have twisted what I have said in so many ways it is a joke. But I guess that is what you do when you can't discuss a topic rationally.
 
where do suppose all the Palestinians came from then ?

this failure to recogize Palestine is as usefull to the peace process as Hamas refusing to recognize Israel,

in order for peace there must be compromise on both sides.

at least Hamas have been able to keep a ceasfire which at least show some willingness to facilate peace,
 
They come from the region which has for a long time been known as Palestine.

The fact is that it was never a country.

Whether it should be a country is a different matter entirely.

Do you see the difference?
 
Matter to who? I would guess that it might matter to Palestinians.

But the fact is that Palestine is not, and never has been, a country.
 
take america and australia, both these countries existed and were inhabiated before the west discovered them and went about wiping out the existing inhabitants,

the land that is Palestine was inhabited by a people, it was not an empty country ripe for colonization, if Palestine is not and never was a country where did all the people who live there come from ?
 
It was not a state. That is the point. The region called Palestine was always part of other states. Like the Ottoman Empire, for example.
 
Habitation and "country" are two seperate things. One does not always imply the other- even if the area is inhabited by a single ethnic group, which Palestine wasn't.

Further, people have been horning in and replacing eachother since the very first human walked out of Africa. Indeed, H. sapiens might well have pushed off and replaced H. erectus in some areas. By 30,000 years ago, there was no longer any significant portion of land that could be considered virgin territory as far as the human species was concerned. From that point on, its been nothing but movement and pushing others into and out of areas. No matter where you go, there was someone there before the current culture.

There wasn't nearly the ammount of systematic wiping out done by the European settlers of Australia and America as you seem to think. The natural course of new diseases did that. If either continant had its full pre-contact population, there might have been a different course to history.
 
thats merely a comforting lie, to ease peoples guilt over the genocide of the indigineos peoples of the america's, caribean etc
 
Israel is willing to recognize Palestine. In fact they are moving towards this unilaterally.


If they agree to one, yes.
 
America did not exist prior to 1776. Yes, there were people here prior to the westerners coming here, but America did not. There were the Cherokee (my dad was Cherokee and black), Hopi, Sioux, and many other nations. Just like there was no France but rather Gaul and lots of tribes until France was formed.
 
It's nothing peculiar to either 'left' or 'right'. People of all political shades behave in exactly the same way.
 
I don't think that is true. There were certainly abuses by whites against the Native Americans and the westerners definitely took land. But exactly how is that different than your predecessors? That's right. It isn't. Your people did the same thing because there is no group that hasn't done that. Take the example of the Arabs. Didn't they go through and burn villages that belonged to the Jews? What about all the spainards that they killed as they moved up into Europe? They certainly displaced and killed people.
 
well sorry to disapoint you, but it is



the difference is i'm not in denial nor making excuses for the sins of the british



just because the history of mankind is bloody and brutal does not make it right, are you saying it was OK for Hitler to exterminate 6 million Jews just because mankind has a history of genocide and everyones been at it?
 
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