Palestenian-Israeli Conflict

true, but I would view a landmine incident with less hostility than I would a shelling from an MCG
 
So calling an International team will do what exactly?

If it sides with the Palestinans, Israel will claim its biased and 99% of the world will be very angry with Israel.

If it sides with Israel, Hamas will call it biased and 99% of the world won't be upset with Israel.

I like this idea. why didn't I think of it?
 
If Israel lied, then 99% of the world should be angry with Israel, otherwise they told the truth, and everyone knows it. As it stands at the moment I am eyeing the Israeli story with suspicion
 
The international team investigating Jenin substantiated Israel's version, and the pro-Palestinians still call the incident the Jenin Massacre.
 
thats great. I commend you for your suspicion by whay just be skeptical of one side?
 
I view both sides with equal suspicion, on this issue there is no evidence to suggest that there were Palestinian Mines on that beach, and I'm sure no one in a position of authority in the Palestinian government would have known about them if there was, so they are beyond suspicion on this matter. The Israelis however have admitted to firing shells in that direction but are now denying it, this is suspicious.
 
Fair enough. Here's a list of source materials, many of which I have on the bookself at home or in the office. Most, but not all of these are written by people who are acknowledged experts in their field. Many of these books support my opinion, or more correctly, reading them led to the formation of my opinion. Not everything on this list agrees with what I've said, however, most of it does. I deliberately skewed the list with works supporting my position to illustrate the sheer volume of allegedly "racist crackpots" with Doctorates who thru their own research have come to the same conclusion I have. Who would've guessed there were so many racists hiding in Academia? To make it easy for anyone to check these resources, I linked them all thru amazon, as they provide info on the authors, etc. Additionally, I included a link to Challenge Magazine which I don't usually agree with, but offers what I find to be a unique perspective.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0977102114/sr=8-23/qid=1150290085/ref=sr_1_23/002-5851536-1552008?%5Fencoding=UTF8

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/192865326X/sr=8-19/qid=1150290085/ref=sr_1_19/002-5851536-1552008?%5Fencoding=UTF8

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0970378424/qid=1150291551/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-5851536-1552008?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0520241150/qid=1150291551/sr=1-7/ref=sr_1_7/002-5851536-1552008?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0300106033/ref=pd_sim_b_4/002-5851536-1552008?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=283155

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0385514727/ref=pd_bxgy_text_b/002-5851536-1552008?%5Fencoding=UTF8

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1859845177/qid=1150291663/sr=1-13/ref=sr_1_13/002-5851536-1552008?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0300105975/qid=1150291706/sr=1-24/ref=sr_1_24/002-5851536-1552008?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0887282768/qid=1150292356/sr=2-3/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_3/002-5851536-1552008?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0300110537/qid=1150292356/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-5851536-1552008?s=books&v=glance&n=283155


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345383044/sr=8-12/qid=1150290026/ref=pd_bbs_12/002-5851536-1552008?%5Fencoding=UTF8

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0520244486/sr=8-11/qid=1150290026/ref=pd_bbs_11/002-5851536-1552008?%5Fencoding=UTF8

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0895260131/sr=8-10/qid=1150290026/ref=pd_bbs_10/002-5851536-1552008?%5Fencoding=UTF8

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1403933723/sr=8-9/qid=1150290026/ref=pd_bbs_9/002-5851536-1552008?%5Fencoding=UTF8

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0674010906/sr=8-5/qid=1150290026/ref=pd_bbs_5/002-5851536-1552008?%5Fencoding=UTF8

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0521791405/ref=pd_sim_b_5/002-5851536-1552008?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=283155

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1844670457/ref=pd_sim_b_5/002-5851536-1552008?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=283155

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0195169913/qid=1150291404/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-5851536-1552008?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0195157133/qid=1150291404/sr=1-7/ref=sr_1_7/002-5851536-1552008?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1893554775/qid=1150291404/sr=1-9/ref=sr_1_9/002-5851536-1552008?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1591020115/qid=1150291517/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-5851536-1552008?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0688107427/qid=1150292278/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/002-5851536-1552008?s=books&v=glance&n=283155






http://www.hanitzotz.com/challenge/
 
What evidence have you seen of anything? Have you gone to Israel and Palestinan territoties? Conducted an investigation of the crime scene? Questioned eyewitnesses? Questioned Israeli military personnell? All you have are media reports.
 
I would submit that a person who has done a Doctoral thesis in a topic related to this discussion would make that person fairly knowledgeable in this area. If formal education doesn't make one an expert, then what in your opinion does?

More importantly, are you ever going to try and disprove anything I've said with a fact or some actual evidence? Or are you going to continue impugning my character in the hopes no one will notice you can't produce a counter-argument of any substance?
 
Are you not the person who, earlier in this thread, referred to the Palestinians as vermin and advocated their slaughter? To me that is evidence enough to refer to you as both a crackpot and a bigot.
 
if there was considerable evidence the Israelis would have put it forward. They havn't so I can conclude that there probably isn't any.
 
nothing, because no evidence has been left at the beach. If there was a piece of shrapnel from the shell then it would be quite easy to compare it to an Israeli shell, however all those tests were carried out by Israeli authorities.
 
a chimp with an education is still a chimp, a nazi out uniform is still a nazi, a bigot with a degree is still a bigot.



you have not presented anything, you just post links to crackpot far right websites.



i have not said anything about your character, no need really.
 
There is only evidence that several people died in an explosion. Israel fired shots from a boat and claim the shells did not fall in the area. The beach possibly contained Palestinan mines. No evidence has been presented to prove any of this. We only know an Israeli ship was firing anything by their own admission.
 
to begin with I think they thought they were responsible. I think Israel now claim that only 6 shells were fired and they have accounted for 5 of them, but again we only have Israels word for that.
 
So I'll take that as a "no" and figure you don't have anything that would counter what I've put forward about the goal of the Jihadists and how that goal means there can never be a peaceful solution.

Since you can't argue the point, how about you prove to me how those links are "crack pot"? Or is this a case where there are actual experts and you just happen to be one of them?
 
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