[POLITICS] We are now represented by racists!!

Well Garth, tell me about your contribution to British culture?

My culture. Well I've enrolled my son into the Gaelic school. Where he will be taught entirely in Gaelic. I myself have enrolled into summer school to start learning Gaelic. I teach my son history, art, philosophy, theology.

The Bear.
 
Maybe I associate with better people.



How is it robbing, you have to compete and that is that. You don't like that then vote Green and help dismantle the capitalist system.
 
Llamageddon posted



I'm completely missing your point here.

I posted the clip after mentioning the BNP, and then you tell me it was made by the BNP. Yes thats my point.

If you listened to what she says, she says that they are not all nazis who give a damn about nazi germany.



Interestingly when we were doing diversity training in the police force we were told "there is no such thing as British Culture"

I asked why they said that

Their reply was everything British comes from somewhere else, For example tea from China,

I asked if there was such a thing as Italian culture.

Oh yes they said pasta, architecture etc.

I said that pasta came from China and Architecture from Greece, and the Etruscans.

they didnt have an answer to that.

But i dont think culture is the right word to use when we are talking about races. Culture is a forever changing set of customs, ideas, religions, beliefs etc.

In fact people can be of one race but follow the culture of another race.

What is it that makes a race a race, well te dictionary states

A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.
5. Biology
a. An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.

Which i would say is more accurate than using the word CULTURE

In other words the first three, which list Genetics, geography and common history are more precise

A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.

If one looks at the Cheddar man (7000BC) it seems that many Britains that have Grand parents in this country can trace their ancestry back to Mesolithic (Hunter gatherer) ancestors



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheddar_Man

And yes I know i'm using wikipedia but this evidence has been documented very well in the scientific and archaeological literature.

So impact of Anglo saxons, Juttes, Romans, etc on the British Population genetically may be miniscule at the very least.

Garth
 
Polar Bear posted



This is getting a Bit silly now, but Ok if you want to play that game

My degree is in archaeology, and I have just landed a job teaching archaeology to adults and two day schools in the subject of King Arthurs Britain. I am also a custodian of the British Battlefields Group. I have lectured on British History and was the co founder of the Ise Archaeology Group.

Garth
 
Ok, I see what you mean and to a point I agree but here is where you are wrong.

You seem to be saying that the BNP are free to believe as they wish to believe and that under our laws they are allowed to run for office and people are allowed to vote for them. Correct me if I'm wrong here, I'm just trying to piece together your intent.

This is fair, but what we are trying to say is that the BNPs arguments - and I'm talking about pretty much every one, is utter tosh. That's not an opinion, it's fact. If they enacted all of their policies, the UK would become an absolute ruin. You remove all of the ethnic minorities from this country and this country would cease to function - and don't be naive, it will start with voluntary deportations, but it wont be long before they start enacting laws that curb the freedoms of those they wish to force out and after that - mandatory deportations or as the UN likes to call it, ethnic cleansing.

It is absolutely imperative that we stop the BNPs advance, we are stuck with 2 of the scum for the next 5 years, but it is crucial that we start to push them back, get them out of the council chambers and marginalise them once again.

There are only 2 types of BNP supporter; racists and idiots. They can keep the racists but the idiots will come around eventually if you keep on shining a light on the true BNP, the BNP they keep hidden from the TV cameras. The reasons people give for supporting the BNP sound an awful lot like the reasons Germans gave for supporting the Nazi party in the early 1930's, we have had 80 years to think of ways to counteract those old arguments and fear tactics - now we just have to do it, before our country is destroyed.
 
Polar Bear posted



I think your missing the point here. its not just about competition its about the fact that Mr Briton who has lived here all his life and paid tax all his life can have his lively hood taken away by a someone that does not pay tax and is basically a visitor.

Not only that of course we also have the issue of having migrant workers taking British money out of the country, and the British economy is alreasy in a bad enough state

Garth
 
Well you argument is false:
The research you are quoting discusses a small section of British population. In fact it referes to the south east England almost exclusively. All it says is that in this region the main genetic influences are different from what is commonly believed and as still largely foreign just different foreigners. The Cheddar man conclusions are just bad science, you cannot infer from one example that this is the case elsewhere. It just isn't statistically significant.
So I'm afriad this is just a case extremists using research to propagate their views without properly understanding it. I feel sorry for the researchers that their hard work is being abused in such a fashion.

The Bear.
 
Funnily enough Poland which lost many of its workers to Britain now has a problem because it has been using cheap labour from China and Belerussia, and is now in a situation of how it finds work for its returning workers after the slump in Europe.

Funny that the trade unions in Poland have no problem on placing restrictions on migrant workers over there.



http://www.euractiv.com/en/socialeurope/poland-frets-foreign-workers-economy-slows/article-180346
 
The majority of Poles do pay tax and under European Law they are working here perfectly legally. If people are breaking the law then they should be prosecuted just like I would if I did.
Is this opposed to rich British and British Corporations who take far larger sums of money out of the country to avoid taxation. The problem is that you fall into the same trap time and again. You are shown poor people who are taking minor amounts of money to support their families and told to revile them because they are dirty foreigners while the ones feeding you this crap stuff their pockets with your cash. Open your eyes, this isn't about British and foreigners. This is about the super rich making us ALL dance to their tune while we cut each others throats. What's sad is that we fall for it every time.

The Bear.
 
Ahh... I see many of the same trite arguments by anti immigration people in the US... good to know that at least the thin veil of racism and xenophobia is boringly predictable.

Boo hoo... those blasted immigrants are taking all the money out of the country!! What a dud of an argument... hahahahaha.... it was crap the first time around and it's crap now.

None of the whiny lot bitches when the mega-corp owners move entire industries overseas... nope not a bit... they just keep on buying products... chasing that increasingly elusive comfort zone. Life is a bitch ain't it.

I love to see people moan about immigration. What a bunch of complete and utter tits.
 
Polar bear posted



Oh boy, have you heard of the Y and mtDNA Haplo groups?

Do you realise that this is a study of 50,000 DNA samples?

Probably not

This was carried out ny two researchers. Brian Sykes and stephen Oppenheimer.

They have written



It continues

In Origins of the British (2006), Stephen Oppenheimer states (pages 375 and 378):



Note what it says about anglo Saxons and about ancient iberian ancestors to follow



Continuing



So according to these two emminent scientists our DNA suggests an ancient origin from Iberia during the Mesolithic as i said, and the impact of Anglo Saxons is negligitable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_genetics_of_the_British_Isles
 
Since when was 30% negligible? I wouldn't even say 4% is negligible and that's on Anglesey!
 
Its actually 20% and it depends on your defintion of negligable.

In regards to population origins when 80% shows origins from the prehistoric Mesolithic peoples it shows that even combined the invasions of celts, picts, Romans, Saxons, Angles, Juttes, Normans, Vikings, La Tene, etc has had very litle impact on the DNA

In other words

Mesolithic = 80%
All the others combined = 20%

Garth
 
My ancestry is Irish - would I be expected to move back to Ireland having only spent a few months there in my entire life?
 
I'm English living in Wales. I assume the rules only count for non-English people. We're used to having our cake and eating it.
 
I think people are really missing the point here. This isn't about immigration or British jobs or anything. The fact is the BNP have a manifesto policy of making Britain a white only country!! They say they will do this by offering financial incentives for people of non-British origin (non-whites) to leave the country! This is actually a new policy that Griffin bought in, to try to make the party more reputable, the previous policy was forcible deportation!! Anyone who is not white, whether they were born here, whether they have business here, whether they contribute to society or not, would have to leave the country if the BNP ever came to power.

If you don't think Britain should be a white only country, then you can not support the BNP as this is one of their prime manifesto promises!!!
 
To be honest to trace your family line back past the 1600s is very difficult unless you are direct line of royalty or your family was of upper class.

Records before this period are scant and very hard to trace.

Interestingly we are actually all cousins.

Think about it if in the 16oos my ancestors had two children, and each generation was 20 years by the 21st century i would have 32 cousins by the year 1700, 1000 by the 1800s, 32000 by the 19th century, million by the 20th century etc.

In fact as Richard Dawkins has stated in "river out of Eden" when someone says they are distant cousins to the queen, we are all distant cousins to the queen.

But to actually state that you are a direct descendant of a particular person in the 12th century you would first need

1/ Extremely good documentation
2/ The ability to ignore all other links to your family tree.

After all if you were related to say Mr X in the 12th century and a generation was 20 years, your link would get diluted 50% by every generation.

In fact by the 16th century (20 generations) you would only be related to that person by
0.000095367431640625%

Garth
 
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