The American Infallibility Complex

ernzb_23

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People fleeing Latin America, Asia, Africa, and the Middle East don't focus on the US because we have the best quality of life. We don't; we have a very good quality of life but Scandinavian countries have a better quality of life by any objective measure (besides weather, har har, you suckers). But what we DO have is a remarkable combination of "pretty-darned-good quality of life" and immigrant-friendly policies. Basically all you need to do to become a US citizen is pass a test about the history of the USA and a criminal background check. To become a citizen of small highly-socialized European countries, it's a massive and sometimes decade-long application process with many people denied citizenship, your ability to earn income is questioned, etc...so that they don't bankrupt their highly-socialized systems with a flood of entry-level laborers.

Also, culturally, we're more immigrant-friendly. An immigrant from China may be a Norwegian citizen but he'll never be "ethnically Norwegian." An immigrant from Morocco may be a German citizen but she'll never be "ethnically German." But there's no such thing as "ethnically American." We're a nation of immigrants and, if you're going to be an immigrant, there's some real appeal to getting onboard with that. Once you're a citizen, you're just as American as anyone else. I mean, is there any western European country that has ever had someone like Barack Obama--son of an immigrant, not the majority ethnicity--as their President/Prime Minister/Premier?
 
Lookig at ethnic minorities, in western European countries there are the Jewish examples of Disraeli (an ethnic Jew who was elected prime minister of Britain) and André Léon Blum who was elected prime minister of France. It has been reasonably common in South America (Fujimori in Peru, Benito Juلrez in Mexice etc). Recently (2004) in India, Manmohan Singh (a Sikh) was elected P.M. of India.

Looking at immigrants, there is Menachem Begin, David Ben-Gurion, and Yitzhak Shamir, all prime ministers of Israel who were immigrants themselves. The current (female) prime minister of Australia was born in Wales. Richard Seddon the 15th prime minister of New Zealand was born in England. Canada has had 4 prime ministers born outside the country.

Although it is nice to see social progress in America, they are still pretty far behind countries like Iceland with their openly lesbian prime minister Johanna Sigurdardottir and Belgium with Elio Di Rupo, an openly gay Prime Minister born to two Italian parents in a squatters' camp.
 

MIGMIG

New member
I looked into moving to the States to join the military and everything I looked at said i'd hope to prove all those things too? I had to prove I had somewhere to live and an employer or someone else willing to sponsor me. Maybe because I was looking at green cards not just straight up citizenship, but the impression I got was that crossing the border illegally would of been a much easier route to living in America than trying to get a visa.
 

kildarewolf

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I wasn't comparing illegal entry to the US to legal entry to the US. Yes, it's easier to come in illegally because any paperwork is more onerous than no paperwork. What I was comparing was an application for US citizenship with an application for Swiss or Swedish citizenship. As an immigrant with no prior history in a country, it's FAR easier to become a citizen of the USA than a citizen of a highly-socialized Western European country. That's part of why immigrants from poor countries often focus their immigration efforts on the USA, not western Europe as much.
 

MeaganS

New member
Right, I was thinking more what Hannibal said rather than the actual citizenship application. I took your post to include entry into the country as well. My bad.
 

cloydt

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Yeah, the US can be pretty a bureaucratic mess for green card/visa situations. I think I remember hearing that it's easier bureaucracy-wise to get US citizenship than to live here as a foreign national.

I was focusing specifically on citizenship, however, because all those countries with "better quality of life" than the USA? You need to be a citizen of that country to take advantage of all their wonderful programs that cause that high quality-of-life rankings. It doesn't matter for immigrants that Sweden gives its citizens paid vacations in a Mediterranean paradise and America doesn't if Sweden won't let that immigrant become a citizen. And my understanding is, most citizenship applications to countries such as Sweden are denied. It's not just a matter of having a lot of bureaucratic hoops to jump through; it's that you're denied even when you do jump through all the hoops.
 

amandica82

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funnily enough all my friends who are Swedish are the kids of immigrants from Africa and India

so im guessing policies were once much more laxed
 
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