Tell you what Rag, why don't you go get somone you've trusted and considered a freind to rape you then make some comments on how stupid victims of rape who don't want to kill there attacker are. Maybe then I'd think you wherent just being a bit of a muppet.
I've never had a friend seek to physically harm me. If they did I'd floor them. Rape isn't just an attack though is it? It's a violation, it's humiliation. And people who commit it need a bullet in their skull.
The vast majority of rapes are commited by family memeber and close friends. It is more common for women to get raped by their husbands and boyfriends then by some stranger.
Rag, if you don't know any of the facts and figures behind rape- I invite you to go learn them. In point of fact, I myself, posted a thread about it on the Women's Self Defense Forum and there were many other people who contributed quite a lot to that thread. Go look it up, if you don't turst me, all well to the good. The rape and other crime stats should be public knowledge for the UK, I am sure that what ever institute of health you look at should have them for you. You might also consider talking to a cop about rape and rape victims.
You have much to learn, and your opinions are not support by statistics or even first hand knowledge.
I think he is correct in one thing he said, which is that rape is a crime of violence, and is more about power and control than it is about sex as such.
He is very much correct in that statement. I have no despute with it.
I do have disbute with his calling the victims of rape idiots, especially considering who gets raped, the age that rape tends to occur (think young) and who rapes them. Is it any wonder they might have conflicted feelings.
I think you have taken his comment slightly out of context and the way you have put it sounds 100% worse than how it was orginally put, which I feel is a little unfair (although I don't agree with the statement in the context it began in).
I reviewed the comments, and that is simply how I read them.
The intent might have been different, however, I really don't see many ways to interpret,
"Most of the girls I know who were raped or forced into sex actually defended the guy because they loved them and were willing to forgive them.
I think women must like being walked all over."
and
"I prefer to call them idiots. Two of my friends describe themselves as idiots for putting up with it."
My attutude may be colored by my own personal experience, however.
This is an exception to the rules. With the majority of cases, facts and figures are very mis-leading. I don't know the facts and figures, and no I've never spoken to a policeman, but I do know 3 people who have been raped, one in her childhood. - And erm... They'll never be the same.
One is really quite okay, despite the fact she wishes she had put a stop to it much, much sooner instead of letting him bully her.
One thinks he should never have been let out of prison. [Go figure. He should have been killed when he raped the first two girls. Not let back out to do it again. Although *she* was an idiot for actually getting back in contact with him.]
The other one... Well she's pretty screwed up. Get's insane with any guy she's involved with. [Including me.] Constantly needs protection, can't fall asleep when alone. All of which she ascribes to her experiences [as a child!], with a man who got a 7 year sentence and is now back out, but thankfully doesn't know where the family he used to batter now lives.
No I don't know the facts and figures. But I *DO* Know what rape does to people. And I do know that "life sentence" is just a word and that rapists need to be shot for the good of mankind and for the safety of girls who can't defend themselves.
And my other quote...
"I think women must like being walked all over."
Yeah, that was pretty harsh. Again that's just experience. Almost every girl I've ever grown up with has managed to fall head over heels for well known cheats, liars and bullies. So yeah. What's with that?
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And I *didn't* call all rape victims idiots. I said those who forgive their rapist are idiots. - Yes I take your point that children can be confused. [My friend who was raped was told that it was "growing up" and trusted the guy.] - But the other two. One who was stupid enough to go somewhere alone with a violent man and the other who suffered in silence because she "loved" [I know I love people who beat me up, yell at me and force me into things I don't wanna do] him.... That really is the height of stupidity. Which even THEY have said.
So basically, you THINK that the majority of rapes are done by strangers. But you refuse to go look up anything to establish that.
I can bring up American figures, but if UK figure are that far off, I would be highly surprised.
In well over 90% of rape cases, the victim knew the attacker, the majority of that falls into family and close family friends. You are trying to base a reaction to stranger rape on the majority of cases to which that reaction would not apply.
Sure, its easy to say kill them when its not Uncle Bob or Mr. Green next door. But if it is, you know their family- or you are their family- and you know what their death will mean to that family. You are ignoring the time dedicated to emotional abuse by abusive husbands and boyfriends, you are ignoring the psychological impacts of being abused emotionally.
Basically- you're ignoring all the facts in favor of an unsubstantiated opinion.
I have to wonder if you've actually read my posts. Atall. I never made any assumptions. I spoke about the experiences and history of rape victims that I knew.
I didn't "refuse to look it up"... I've had 3 hours at the Do-Jang. I'm sorry if you expected me to sit here and research material so I could argue with you.
I've never, ever mentioned anything about the majority of rapists or my knowledge of facts and figures. We're on the subject of the death penalty, and nobody will ever, ever change my mind that the above cases, men let out of prison and then offended again they deserve nothing more than death.
If I misread you, then I apologise. I do expect people to look up their claims, though that is more a trait of my training then anything else, of course, no one should be expected to spend all their time at any given moment doing it. I am also more then a bit touchy about the subject anyway.
Repeat offenders probably do deserve the death penalty, as they have in some cases done worse then death to their victims.
Well I'd agree... If somebody was running their mouth off about how much they knew on the subject. But that wasn't what I was saying. I do happen to know my friends very well though.
"more a trait of my training then anything else,"
What training is that? [Due to the context of the thread, that sounds like an accusation or something. It's not. I'm curious.]