Zimmerman Martin Case

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wooski2234

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The difference is when an LEO stops you we know (or certainly should know) our grounds, authorities and limits. If you see an unknown dude in a hoodie looking into various houses an gardens in your neighbourhood and you DON'T have suspicions then you are exceptionally foolish and are displaying terrible environmental awareness. If you see a group of youths on a street corner hanging out and you don't consider te possibility they may be a threat (code orange) then you are again being foolish

Of course how you approach said individual is the rub - but if the individual initiates the confrontation then the decision is made for you isn't it?

Looking for criminal behaviour is color blind because the behaviour is absolutely independent of ethnicity. Do you find certain crimes committed by certain races? Not in my experience - but you do find certain crimes and activities in certain socio economic groups , and there may be an over representation of specific ethnic groups in there. This is rooted in the history and development of a country, often in recent years through immigration patterns.
 
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HelenR

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Speaking of you "AS" getting tedious also;

If you look upon these leaders who single out a single national problem, rather then addressing the issues everyday.

None come out of the woodwork to address the black issues daily/monthy, etc.

When is the last time you seen these leaders with a ad campaign, rally, etc., looking at a overall black issue(s)?

Speaking of my minority friends, which btw, how dare you think I do not have, they are not satisfied with politicians, white or black, who only make speeches and blanket promises without substantial results
 
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AlexandraP

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The difference is that LEOs probably wouldn't be tailing you in an unmarked car unless they knew you were a criminal. They wouldn't then get out and tail you on foot in a suspicious way. They would be in a patrol car and if you were up to no good, you would know that and bug out. If they came up with their lights on, or squawked you, you'd know why you were being followed and if you weren't doing anything wrong you wouldn't go ballistic on them because you'd know that they wouldn't shoot you if you weren't.



Exactly, how you tail, and how you approach the individual. Or he could've kept his distance and just called the police and waited in his car for them to arrive.

I won't disagree with you about having warning signals. However, the assumptions that go along with our society and how they affect our warning signals is an issue. It is hard for someone not to be racially motivated, especially with the common depictions of minority youth you see on tv, in music, and in the news. For the young minority youth that are sick of being harassed, questioned, looked at with suspicion, and everything else, my heart goes out to them too. Even if they are a straight A student with a clean record, somebody will suspect them of some wrong doing. That is a messed up part of our society that no amount of talk will change. People need to stop living in fear and learn to see people for more than their appearance or else we're all doomed(well you guys are, I'm staying in Japan).
 
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chippie_minton

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How would you know what African-American leaders or politicians are doing on a day to day basis? Have you been following any of them(I don't mean in a dark SUV)? Do you know their schedules or look at their webpages or blogs? How many African-American scholars' works have you read or heard? They are leaders as well, what are they saying? No, it is easier for you to point the figure and place blame, though you should know that the blame doesn't lie with them. They are reacting to the realities of the situation, not creating it.



Funny that you feel the need to point out minority politicians as particularly to blame when there are many well known white politicians who often say racist, sexist, and otherwise comments. You will be thought of as fair and evenhanded if you show yourself to be so. However, most of the inane comments you have been making in this thread point to some serious issues with race in your past and a psyche that isn't looking to make friends with minorities but to blame and cast aspersions.

ps-if you do indeed have minority friends, why don't you share your posts in this thread with them and see how many agree with you and how many would still call you friend after reading some of the nonsense you have been writing?
 
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KissyFace

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I still maintain this is as much a stereotype of youth culture issue as much as a race issue - As i said earlier, put a "white kid" in the scenario and the call would have sounded identical in my opinion
 
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MrHands

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The image was not in response to the Trayvon Martin shooting. The image was in response to someone who had lost their cool and said some inflaofftopictory stuff (similar to the ad hominem attacks you're making against multiple members right now) had said they were leaving the thread.

The image was not in response to the shooting. The image was in response to someone screaming at Kuma in all caps and then saying "that felt good. i'm done now. have at it with your little discussion. i'm through with this."

Context matters.
 
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prettyinpunkk

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I have never met Kuma, but have conversed and spoken with him many times as well as interacted with him on these boards

He is someone I would be honoured to patrol with and work alongside and I believe he absolutely has "the right stuff" for the job we do
 
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theoriginalimac

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OH P.L.E.A.S.E.

If you are not a LEO, esp one in a violent city-area, how can you make any assumptions on law enforcement protocol or procedure?

I have been followed (with and without my black friends) by LEO in both marked and unmarked vehicles. They did not "know" I was a criminal. I raised a suspicion in their mInds, and they proceeded to investigate (Which btw, some black look upon this as a racial contrast)

If they came up with their lights on, or squawked you, you'd know why you were being followed and if you weren't doing anything wrong you wouldn't go ballistic on them because you'd know that they wouldn't shoot you if you weren't
Really? Many times I ever been stopped, I did not know why I was pulled over. The LEO would simply begin with a opening statement thus; " Do you know why I pulled you over?"


I spoke to black LEOs and they tell me that blacks get more upset with them tailing, investigating, etc.

Yes, a few times, I was being followed afoot by a LEO, plain clothes.

The BIG DIFFERENCE, which people do not seem to UNDERSTAND, is that I DID NOT PHYSICALLY ATTACK A PERSON FOLLOWING ME
 
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kiesha

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See, that how things get blown out of proportion:

A simple image in a thread gets taken as offensive or fired upon in the PC (Political Correct) view.

Some people, like in this case, have to take things in a indifferent manner just to make a point, which is not with the issue




Of course, I was just as followed by LEOs in a black area, or high society residency, and I wasn't even wearing a hood

When you look out of the norm, of said environment/area, you are going to arouse suspicion.

I JUST DON'T PHYSICALLY CONFRONT THOSE FOLLOWING ME
 
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itsamanda

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If he's posting videos like that and arguing in the manner in which he is, he sounds like the wrong kind of person to be patrolling in a predominantly African-American neighborhood. Perhaps he's jaded and needs some time in the burbs where the good white kids are pumping their rap music and high on coke instead.
 
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xxcutegurlxx

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The image was not appropriate considering the debate at hand. He could've easily found any other image of someone other than an African-American dancing. That he searched for that image and purposefully posted it in this thread shows that he is lacking in sensitivity and judgement. I showed the post to some minority friends and they just shook their heads. How anyone could think it was appropriate is beyond me.



Context of the thread would deem an image like that unimaginable to be posted by a white police officer, especially as it had nothing to do with the topic at hand(which was a shooting and dealing with racism in our country).
 
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numanumanumane

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Are you reading for understanding or just looking to argue??



So you look suspicious, and are often thought of being up to no good by the police? Why is that?




So you think it was an appropriate video to post, out of all the possible videos he could find on the internet? Says something about you if you answer in the affirmative.
 
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ChuckW

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So when you were tailed in an unmarked car it was because? If you were in the presence of minorities, perhaps that had something to do with it and goes back to the point of profiling. Or were you doing something illegal at the time? Do tell.
 
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Kosher

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I guess you havent read my post 797

You seem to overlook certain posts

Realise or paint this picture:

I was a teen in the 70's

Having long hair, wearing shades (which by the way, were prescription), tie dye shirts, bell bottom jeans, hung around with all/any ethnic group, drank & __ illegally, OF COURSE I was PROFILED

We used to say; "The Pigs Harass Us Because what we Represent" (Free from Govtmt-liberatarian)....but if you think about it, if you are out of the social norm, do things that are reflecting the profile, "if the shoe fits".......

TO REITERATE;

Of course, I was just as followed by LEOs in a black area, or high society residency, and I wasn't even wearing a hood

When you look out of the norm, of said environment/area, you are going to arouse suspicion.

I JUST DON'T PHYSICALLY CONFRONT THOSE FOLLOWING ME
 
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blonde_orchid

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No, it's not the other way around. One has an institutional advantage over the other and when they act on their racism, the outcome is different(in general). There was a Spike Lee movie years ago that looked at this from the opposite side of the coin. It wasn't the best movie and could have been done a lot better but watching it at least will make people think. It's called "White Man's Burden."
 
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FAN

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I am asking you specifically when you were tailed by unmarked cars, what was the given reason for it. Of course if you look out of place, people's radar will be turned on. That is different from racially profiling someone. That assumes that they are up to no good just because of the color of their skin and gives the authorities an excuse not to be fair and equal in judgement. So again, why did they say they were tailing you?

edit-I can understand why you were harassed as a hippy teen in the 70s, that was the policy back then. It is interesting that you cannot see the difference between that and racial profiling but so be it. We aren't talking about the 70s, this is 40 years later and hippy white teens aren't necessarily out of the norm depending on the region.
 
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davidscottm

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Yes, profiling sucks, so you should be able to sympathize with minorities who are profiled. However, we get nothing but vitriol from you about "black leaders" this and "he wasn't an angel" that. So because somebody isn't an angel, they deserve to be shot? A guy in a suspicious vehicle tails you and then pursues you on foot. Martin ran(seemingly away based on Zimmerman's 911 call) probably out of fear of what the guy following him around suspiciously was up to. There is no evidence that he wasn't just lost or confused trying to find his father's house, or that he was up to no good. Zimmerman was armed and mentioned that Martin had a hand in his waistband(probably believed he was armed too), he also mentioned that "These______ they always get away." We do not know what he meant by this, but we do know that he used poor judgement and somebody ended up dead. You seem to think that young minorities are angry but you also seem to have given no thought as to why that might be the case. Would you not be angry given the crap that they have to go through?



I read and reread your posts. You did not state the given reason why you were tailed by unmarked police. That is fine, it's no big deal as you clearly don't want to answer.
 
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