Zimmerman Martin Case

He didn't get shot for being black. He didn't get shot for wearing a hoodie. He didn't get shot for wandering aimlessly with Skittles. He didn't get shot for refereeing street fights. He didn't get shot for flipping off a camera and putting the photo on Twitter.

He got shot because he ground-and-pounded a guy who happened to be conceal-carrying a 9mm.

That's why Zimmerman was acquitted and the guys who murdered James Byrd Jr. were put to death. Because, despite all the rhetoric, Zimmerman didn't shoot him because of his race, he shot him in self-defense (or to be specific, it was not disproven beyond a reasonable doubt that he shot him in self-defense).
 
Comes out of the woodwork? Actually being ignorant isn't a crime but basking it one's ignorance should be. is your friend. It wouldn't take long to find out the African-American leaders and people with positions of influence discuss these issues often. The Self-Destruction movement and brokering of a gang cease fire by Ice T were covered pretty well in the media. I guess you only remember Ice T for his Cop Killer song though. The Million Man March also dealt with issues concerning the black community and a call was made for African-American men to be accountable by African-American leaders. These were just a few that got national attention, how do you know what takes place outside the public spotlight unless you are interested and invested in finding out? Far easier to make more assumptions and then blame minorities for their plight instead. So you were saying?




No, African-American leaders never address black on black crime because they are only worried about their own image and personal gains. Carry on.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/53624-1



I hope you watch the entire video posted in this link Obewan, you at least seem willing to learn and change.
 
Actually, he got shot because Zimmerman followed him, which led to a confrontation(which we don't know the full details about who started or what was said), which escalated to a fight(which we don't know who started but we do know that according to Zimmerman, Martin originally ran[assumedly away but we do not know] and Zimmerman pursued), and since Zimmerman was armed with a gun which he finally deployed. All the other things you added to your post are irrelevant and character assassination.



We can presume(again we don't know) that Zimmerman thought he might've been armed due to mentioning his hands in the waistband. If Zimmerman hadn't been armed, he would probably be less likely to pursue a suspicious person who he thought was armed on a dark, rainy night. Considering he was in foot pursuit of a potentially armed "suspicious person of color" on a dark rainy night, we can imagine that his gun might've been out or at least he might've had his hand near it. Again this is supposition and we don't know, anymore than we know how the actual confrontation went down. We do know that Martin ran(assumedly from his pursuer). He WAS being followed by a suspicious man in a dark vehicle who was armed! So put yourself in the shoes of a minority youth in that situation. Do you assume that he would behave in a certain manner given what we do know to be fact?

We will wait and see what comes out of any civil case hearings.
 
How can you use the word "Actually" followed by "(which we don't know the full details about who started or what was said)"

You want "actually";

"Actually", because the jury was in the courtroom to look upon evidence (and we were not), Z was "Actually" found "Not Guilty" because there was no "actual" evidence presented otherwise
 
Thats your opinion not fact.... sorry to be anal here but, this IMO is a big problem the amount of speculation in this case is unreal. Your right to point out that the bullet leaving the gun was not because he was black, but the events leading up to it are likely/possibly/one can reasonably assume/ was because he was black.

He also got shot because Zimmerman failed to follow the instructions of the police dispatcher,but thats a different tangent.


A decent article on the bias being displayed

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-23/george-zimmerman-and-the-power-of-bias.html



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-23/george-zimmerman-and-the-power-of-bias.html
 
Agree.

Everyone outside of the courtroom has opinions

Everyone uses a "biased approach to substantiate their opinion"

But the ONE Fact remains, the jury found him "Not Guilty"
 
Agree, in the eyes of the law he is Not guilty. And every must respect that verdict. But it seems that the court finding him innocent has somehow added weight to the argument that TM initiated the attack, which we,they and no one apart from MZ knows.

Did he follow him because he was black? IMHO most likely, or rather would he of followed a white guy under the same circumstances, I doubt.

Did ZM ignore instructions,not orders,given to him,which most likely would of avoided the incident which took place?Yes.
Was Zimmerman injured and had evidence of being in a fight ? Yes.

Other than that we don't know.(give or take a few). Arguing about racially inequality which clearly goes on still, is fine but this incident was not a perfect example of evil white man oppresing a black man , which again people are trying to do.

bah sorry for the rant, but its frustrating that zealots on both sides are trying to take a case that we know little about and use it as de facto proof to support their respecrtive sides of the race argument.

Raz
 
Not guilty of what? Until there is a civil trial, we will never know if he was criminally guilty of anything else.
 
Yeah Raz, you are putting your own "IMHO".....

For what it is worth, someone a few posts back posted a black man shooting/killing a white teen, yet this didnt create quite the stir

Overall, I did enjoy your post




You mean you did not know all of this time?

Not Guilty of second-degree murder and manslaughter

Anything else? So you have a biased prejudice that he HAS to be guilty of SOMETHING
 
This sentence suggests to me you're not fully acquainted with civil litigation. Suffice to say, if you think that a civil trial would show if Zimmerman was "criminally guilty of anything else," you're going to be sorely disappointed.

That said, your recent posts have proven that you were being totally serious when you presume that people are racist until proven otherwise. It's no fun debating with someone who holds that sort of worldview and routinely attacks anyone who disagrees with him as a racist. I'm out of this thread.
 
Please try to come up with some intelligent conversation. He was found not guilty of second-degree murder.



I am pointing out that this is all the jury found in this case. Whether or not he is to be found legally guilty of anything else will be determined if and when there is a civil case or other charges are brought against him. That was why I asked found not guilty of what, as that is the important point.

We all can concur he is guilty of poor decision making, though that is not illegal. Whether or not his poor decisions could be be reason for a wrongful death or civil rights infraction remains to be seen. I have no bias either way. I am merely pointing out that his not being found guilty of second-degree murder does not automatically equal his innocence of anything else.
 
So you are saying that because he was found not guilty of 2nd degree murder, that Martin's family couldn't sue for wrongful death? I'm not a lawyer so you may be right but it was my understanding that the two cases would be irrelevant.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Wrongful+Death

There are also charges that could be potentially brought for infringements of his civil rights if I'm not mistaken. Clearly, this wouldn't be the easiest thing to prove, and I for one am not convinced Zimmerman was acting out of racism. I'm also not convinced that it didn't play any role however.



I don't presume people are one thing or another. Usually, their true colors will show if you spend enough time around them. A lot of posters on this thread have shown to hold some borderline racist opinions and assumptions and that is something that shouldn't be ignored. As Obewan posted(I believe), most Americans are tainted by racism to some extent or another. I don't think that everyone who disagrees with my comments is racist. It is pretty obvious what kinds of comments and opinions are going in that direction however.

This thread isn't about fun, it's about looking at our country and how we can hope to find some end to the problems we face. Bowing out because you aren't having fun is just as bad as pretending not to see something that is morally reprehensible. For some, ignoring the issue works but it doesn't mean the issue doesn't exist and does nothing to make it truly go away.
 
That's about it. We still don't know what really happened out there, and we likely never know. Only 2 persons did, and one of them is dead. We do however know for certain that zimmerman had no business doing what he did and confronting Martin, and that Martin ended up dead because of it.
 
This is utter drivel. You are a sick individual to be spouting this kind of thing.




If you really believe this, you should replace black with white or any other race and see if you come to the same conclusion. You need help.

My goodness, there's more?! It's hard to believe that you have the nerve to post such blatant racist drivel! You should be ashamed and if you do have minority friends as you claim, I really doubt that any would stand by you as a friend after reading this nonsense.





You should answer for this. Posting in the manner you have above is inexcusable and leads to no good.
 
The last hundred years laid the foundation for today. The oppression under slavery was different than the oppression that minorities have to live with today but that doesn't mean that there is no oppression now. There is still social, economic, political, and judicial inequality and social conditioning to hold minorities in lower esteem than whites. Perhaps you are honestly unaware of these facts, but it is hard to imagine how.



It's not clinging to the past, it is coming to grips with it and how it affects our culture and society even today. It's not attitudes or feelings of inferiority about things that happened generations ago, it is about continued incidents that happen everyday across our great nation. Did you not see what happened in Texas the same day the Voting Rights Act of 1965 was repealed?

http://www.scotusblog.com/2013/07/new-texas-voting-disputes/

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/26/us/supreme-court-ruling.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0




Calls to let it go should only come when things are equal and there is no discrimination against minorities or whites get an uneven advantage due to their whiteness. Do you know how many people were killed during the Transatlantic Slave Trade, how many countries were adversely affected, and how much of our countries economic, technological, and other gains can be directly attributed to it? You don't know if slavery could be put on the same scale as the Holocaust? That's only because you obviously haven't ever read a book or watched a documentary, or taken a class on it. You call it whining because you are ignorant of our country's history and the legacy that it's created. It's not throwing a fit, we are talking about modern racism that was born of historical racism and unfair practices.
 
Yes they would, they could have any number of valid reasons to follow you, some grindingly routine.
 
Me, Me, I've been profiled. I get followed and stopped proportionately more riding my motorbike and wearing leathers and cammo than I do wearing shirt and tie and driving my Volvo.
 
I'm wondering if the user name "Please Reality" was taken out of inspiration from a conversation of denial where reality was personified and was telling the person how the situation really was to which they replied, "Please, Reality, as if I care about looking at things from a different angle. I like being fanatically biased."
 
The police dispatcher had no authority other than to make suggestions, he or she is not an officer or other appointed person.
 
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