Zimmerman Martin Case

[mooman]

You're like a parrot on a witch hunt Giovanni.

 

[monkeyman]

Complete call log: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/22/george-zimmerman-s-history-of-911-calls-a-complete-log.html

On January 29, 2012, he called the police on children of unstated race.

On December 10, 2011, he called the police regarding a dispute with an individual of unstated race.

On October 2, 2010, he called the police regarding suspicious activity in an SUV involving female driver and multiple passengers of unstated race.

February 27, 2010, he called the police about suspicious activity at a house, with people coming and going and apparently loitering in the garage. Unstated race of homeowner or guests.

On August 27, 2009, he described a male driver of a car driving suspiciously--no headlights (potential drug dealer). No stated race.

June 16, 2009, he described individuals vandalizing a public area. No stated race.

On November 25, 2007, he called about a disturbance with a white male in a red FSU sweatshirt.

On June 4, 2007, he called about one white male and two hispanic males allegedly trying to steal a car.

On August 12, 2004, he called about a suspicious male (of unstated race) in a black pickup.

 

[sandyj]

Yes there is still racism but you are making a lot of claims that this country has not progress in the last 50 years.

All these claims are easy to make but show me the independent studies that back this up.

There might be individual cases of the things you list but not the wide spread you seem to claim.

 

[chinta25]

from the exact same page...notice how i said 7 out of the last 11....

46. Feb. 26, 2012 – 7:20 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Repeats prior report


45. Feb. 26, 2012 (night of Martin shooting) – 7:11 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Black male “late teens lsw dark gray hoodie jeans or sweatpants walking around area” … “subj now running towards back entrance of complex”


44. Feb. 2, 2012 – 8:29 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: “BM lsw: black leather jacket, black hat, printed PJ pants, he keeps going going to this” location


43. Jan. 29, 2012 – 5:38 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Disturbance
Report: Children “running and playing in the street”

42. Dec. 10, 2011 – 5:29 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Disturbance
Report: “At the club house” … “Male subject [arrived on scene] that thought he was employed by” Zimmerman … “Subj is expected to get paid for serving food.” … Zimmerman “said that he didn’t wish him to serve at the [event]” … Zimmerman “hired someone else, subj sounded upset and wants to get paid”


41. Oct. 1, 2011 – 12:53 a.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Two black male suspects “20–30 YOA in [white] Chevy poss Impala at the gate of the community.” Zimmerman “does not recognize subjs or veh and is concerned due to recent” burglaries in the area


40. Sept. 23, 2011 – 11:08 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Neighbor/Suspicious activity
Report: Zimmerman reports “open garage door” … Describes “neighborhood watch mtg last night with Sgt Herx who [advised] to report anything [suspicious]” … Zimmerman “is part of neighborhood watch” and is concerned because of recent burglaries in the area


39. Aug. 6, 2011 – 10:20 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Two black males, one wearing a black tank top and black shorts, the second wearing a black t-shirt and jeans … “Subjs are in their teens”


38. Aug. 3, 2011 – 6:45 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Black male last seen wearing a white tank top and black shorts … Zimmerman “believes subject is involved in recent” burglaries in the neighborhood


37. May 27, 2011 – 9:18 a.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Alarm
Report: Zimmerman “has a self responding alarm that just notified him of” an alarm at this location


36. April 22, 2011 – 7:09 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Juvenile black male “apprx 7–9” years old, four feet tall “skinny build short blk hair” last seen wearing a blue t-shirt and blue shorts

 

[Mx_Fighter44]

So what does that prove? Do you think he didn't report suspicious activity if the suspicious person was white? Show me that.

 

[Smiley217]

Oldshadow did you read some of the studies that I posted on page 14?

 

[LynseyG]

this just goes back to my point about institutional racism. do you really think that white people are less violent than blacks? or less suspicious than blacks? the neighborhood is diverse. why is it he's always calling 911, since april 2011, on suspicious black males? surely, white people are also committing crimes or acting "suspicious" in this time period.

 

[ProfessionalWidow]

Zimmerman reported every thing he saw or thought he saw. Go through all his calls and you will see he called on anything and every thing. Mostly on the non emergency line.

 

[Bro]

Yes, Giovanni, I did notice that. What it proves is that you cherry-picked a certain subset of the results to make it appear that he was always calling the police on black men and nobody else, when if you look at the entire list you see that's not remotely the case. Given the other affirmative evidence that he wasn't racist (his protests of police brutality toward an African-American homeless man, his charitable work with African-American youth), it really looks like you're grasping at straws when you assert that he must be racist simply because the individual he was involved in a fatal altercation with was black, and because of "institutionalized racism" that doesn't prove jack about any one particular citizen.

 

[MrsH]

I have read those studies and I understand but being poor gets you the short end of a stick in many things in life.

Most of the crime is where you live so that's where the cops are.

If you are poor and charged with a crime you get a appointed lawyer and they want to make a deal.

Racism does exesist in the US but not every thing is based on race. Getting the short end is more about poor in general.

Look at history and the Irish and the Italians.

 

[DebashisBe]

I don't think that's a compelling answer to the statistics, for example:

"There is also evidence that employment status (specifically, being unemployed) interacts with race to produce harsher sentencing patterns for certain subgroups of offenders. A study published in 1991 that examined data from two Florida counties found that while unemployment increased the likelihood of imprisonment for all defendants, young black male defendants suffered the most severe effects. Indeed, the study found that unemployed blacks were 5.2 times more likely to be incarcerated than employed whites."

Edit: Shoot, I misread this, I figured it compared unemployed blacks to unemployed whites, I apologize, mea culpa.

or

"Black defendants who victimize whites tend to receive more severe sentences than both blacks who victimize other blacks (especially acquaintances), and whites who victimize whites."

Edit: Spohn, 2000 conducted a review of the literature and highlighted studies that controlled for socioeconomic status and prior criminal history. She's mentioned in the metastudy conducted by the government, but here's the original article, I don't know if you have access:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1745-9125.2000.tb00891.x/abstract

and the conclusion of the meta study:

"The results of this meta-analytic synthesis of the race/ethnicity and sentencing research indicates that minorities were sentenced more harshly than whites. The differences in sentencing outcomes between these groups generally were statistically significant but statistically small. Larger estimates of unwarranted sentencing disparity were found in analyses examining imprisonment and discretionary decisions and drug offenses. Smaller estimates of unwarranted sentencing disparity were found in analyses that employed more controls variables, especially those that controlled for defendant SES [socioeconomic status, my note], and those that utilized precise measures of key variables (prior criminal record and current offense seriousness). However, even when consideration was confined to those analyses employing key controls and precise measures of key variables, statistically significant but statistically small differences in sentencing outcomes persisted.
These findings call into question the so-called “no discrimination thesis.”

 

[Kate1661]

Irish and Italians: white people.

 

[Poetjunkie]

And they never suffered because of the established society in the US.

I understand not nearly as much as blacks but my point was being poor and not the right background gets you the short end of the stick.

There are still things to overcome but things are greatly improved and not as as some would have you believe when they see it in everything.

 

[Giggleslforllife]

Sounds familiar




Peeps hav 2 b, caus da po po works 4 da man

 

[hoonkim4444]

But there was racism toward Irish, Italians and Eastern Europeans, wasn't there?

Where does the term "Paddy wagon" come from? What about all those jokes about the Polish?

How easy is it to be Muslim in America these days?

Plus, this idea that a black person can't be affected by cultural racism is bogus too. Anyone see that video Please Reality posted?

It is entwined with poverty, but the history behind that poverty is clear, no?

I'm not trying to say that Zimmerman was a racist, and of course things have improved since the Jim Crow days, but it's far from fixed.

 

[GabriellaC]

The Department of Justice has opened a “tip line” for people to send in tips to assist in their effort to build a federal criminal case against George Zimmerman.

In showing little respect for the jury’s “not guilty” verdict in the Zimmerman case, the Justice Department is turning to civil rights groups and others to assist in their civil rights investigation of the case.

Barbara Arnwine, president and executive director the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, told the Orlando Sentinel that she was part of a Justice Department conference call on Monday that discussed the matter.

More at link

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/07/17/doj-announces-tip-line-for-zimmerman-civil-rights-investigation-79840

 

[BOULAVARD]

^thats just ridiculous. Our own government doubting in itself. They need to leave that man alone. Was he wrong YES. But there is not enough evidence there to convict him no matter what under US law.

 

[powhammer7]

not cherry picking, establishing a pattern that goes almost a calendar year--big difference. it's just like kuma's thoughts on stop and frisk. in theory, the police can s&f any "suspicious" person; in practice, minorities are targeted at a much higher rate than whites. in theory, george zimmerman isn't racist because "he has black friends"; in practice, he targets minorities as suspicious (most of the calls he made the entire previous calendar year he describes as "black male"). george zimmerman targetted a person who was doing nothing except walking to his father's house as "suspicious" and "those guys always get away with it".

 

[HeavenM]

oh, so the black people that do that are in the right and not hypocrites for it then? Ok thanks for clarifying.

 

[JR]

I quoted this G for no other reason than to use it as a touchstone to perhaps give a perspective on how castle doctrine can be a reasonable law.

Recently, actually last Saturday, my wife's cousins wife and daughter went to a friends house to feed their cat, when they didn't come back after two hours the husband and his son went to see what was taking so long and found them in the house dead...

Apparently they had stumbled onto a burglary...they had put up a valiant fight with the robbers but succumbed eventually.

This community is small town USA population of maybe 2000 not something you would expect and since it is such a small community it touches all our lives.

My point is, what if the mom was armed? What if the attackers were black? What if She shot the robbers? Would she then be just another white person killing black people for nothing more than robbing a residence. Unfortunately she wasn't armed, and for the record no one knows at this point who murdered them. If someone has the motivation to come into your home then they just may be motivated enough to kill you.

For me protecting my home and family is top priority, I will do whatever it takes to that end you can be sure.